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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby Xcom » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:18 pm

algeralith wrote:
Xcom wrote:I'm the first and only heavy scripter that will ever be brave enough to admit to scripting.


No, your just the only one to act like a complete dick with a massive ego about it...


Yes I am. I'm proud of myself for learning coding from scratch with barely any aid or support, achieving something outside of a digital game. Something that I can apply in real life while most others just have spent hours yoloswaging forth and back or farmed endless digital crops. So why shouldn't I be.

I'm proud enough to say I self educated myself to a point where I can now write java. Fuck anyone who thinks my accomplishments are just bunch of shitty scripts and nothing I have accomplished is worth a damn.
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby Ninijutsu » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:24 pm

The only reason people are mad at botters is because they're jealous because they don't have their own bots.
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby windmaker » Mon Feb 03, 2014 8:38 pm

Xcom wrote:
algeralith wrote:
Xcom wrote:I'm the first and only heavy scripter that will ever be brave enough to admit to scripting.


No, your just the only one to act like a complete dick with a massive ego about it...


Yes I am. I'm proud of myself for learning coding from scratch with barely any aid or support, achieving something outside of a digital game. Something that I can apply in real life while most others just have spent hours yoloswaging forth and back or farmed endless digital crops. So why shouldn't I be.

I'm proud enough to say I self educated myself to a point where I can now write java. Fuck anyone who thinks my accomplishments are just bunch of shitty scripts and nothing I have accomplished is worth a damn.

me2 , and i not writing shit about my ego skills lrn2humility
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby Emina » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:00 pm

it is no secret that i am against custom botting and scripting when it becomes "cheats" a clear advantage over others, and for some people they might even be against it when it alters the game in a way that they personally think disturbes the feeling of the game.

We have had similar discussions previous worlds with gilbertus enders and so on. i absolutley hated that x-ray thing when it came in to light it existed i was horrified about the fact that a few people was able to see thru everything and make their window fullscreen hence they had probably been able to see me way before i could ever see them and hiding behind a tree would never have helped me, so of course you get pissed off when you first find out about cheats like this exists behind your back. But gilbertus took the time to bring it to the publik and Ender kept it going and added a ton of really helpful things, i still am not thrilled about the inpact that X-ray and hide function had on the game feeling, namley i always go around looking at an empty world with red dots and it kinda makes me sad, however it was made publik and i know everyone else had it and after a wile i accepted it and now i would never play without it cause it would be a major disadvantage for me not to and it is also useful in many other aspects, like planting trees behind houses and what not :) . Do i still wish that X-ray did not exist at all? perhaps. Do i realize it will never happen? Yes.

Thing is i think many of us but i speak for myself here, remembers the old times with nostalgia an era where there was almost no custom bots or scripts, and i loved that, but it was also horror in some aspects. You could hardley see an animal before it was upon you beacuse of the small window, my eyes was hurting everyday because of all the staring at a mini window trying to see in the darkness wile you where trying to harvest and so on it was a pain in the ###, wich is easy to forget. it also became clear the devs would not change a lot of the things we complained about. custom clients started popping up. And thank god for that.

having no bots and no custom clients exist are just a dream state, one just have to accept that things get discovered and evolve.

it is really hard or rather impossible to stop science and new invensions, it is part of evolution. And we should be greatful it exists! without it we would not have antibiothics that have saved millions of people, electricity and light bulb that made all our lives so much easier and millions of other good invensions. But with science also came the dark side like the atombomb and so on. Thing is atombomb will never go away now that its been discoverd! no matter how much we would like that knowledge to not exist it just does. so all we can do is accept the fact it exists, but the fact that we accept it does not mean we must like the fact that it does. We hate it but co exist with it and try and keep it under control as much as we can.

i am greatful to all these custom scripters who keep bringing the cheats in to the light that tryes to counter the hush-up cheaters, who put in tons of work into making their work usable to the hole community in publik instead of in the dark backstages of a lucky few.

i do consider any custom client/scripts/bot that gives an advantage, that is kept in the dark not open to the publik a cheat! and should be frown upon. However if they are made publik and usable by all it becomes a choice rather then a cheat. all scripts will still have different ethical values. some are really helpful to all, and some are like the atombomb best to keep under control and find ways to counter them, like the devs sometimes try to do by changing game mechanics when they find out about critical scripts or buggabuse.

i have great respect for Gilbertus, Ender, X-com and all the other talented scripters that do it open and to the benefit of the publik community, they never had to do that, but they did it anyway. do i love every function in their custom clients scripts and bots? No! will i download and use all of the functions they offer? No! am i glad i have that choice? Yes! am i glad i have the right to think what i want about the different functions and its existence? Yes! Do i realize they will exist no matter what i think about them? Yes! Am i then glad they exist in the publik and not in the dark? you bet

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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby borka » Mon Feb 03, 2014 9:05 pm

can i haz hug bot pls ?!?
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby algeralith » Mon Feb 03, 2014 10:07 pm

Xcom wrote:Yes I am. I'm proud of myself for learning coding from scratch with barely any aid or support, achieving something outside of a digital game. Something that I can apply in real life while most others just have spent hours yoloswaging forth and back or farmed endless digital crops. So why shouldn't I be.

I'm proud enough to say I self educated myself to a point where I can now write java. Fuck anyone who thinks my accomplishments are just bunch of shitty scripts and nothing I have accomplished is worth a damn.


I'm sure MLB players are also proud of their own achievements, yet I do not see any of them attending little league games and ruining the fun for everyone involved. You are not the first person, nor will you be the last person to learn programming, and decide to make bots. However, you are definitely one of the few people to be a massive dick about it, and continue to wave their imaginary e-penis at everyone else who complains about the advantage that botting gives you. The botting, and the exploits that you have attempted to abuse lead me to only one conclusion.

You are indeed the type of person that, if given a chance, would attempt to enter a little league game, just for the sole reason that you can be better than someone else, even if they happen to be children.
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby robous » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:10 pm

Players who script will continue to do so until the effort required exceeds the amount of benefit received. The best preventative to automating tasks in a game like this would be to not make Haven 2.0 open source. However, since Jorb and Loftar wish to keep it public (which is quite respectable), there will always be custom modifications to the game that allow individuals to gain an advantage over regular users. It only takes one decent programmer to create a custom client with simpler "api" to allow script kiddies to take over.

Personally, I have only automated chopping trees for mine supports which I think take a silly amount of blocks to construct. Tunneling through the depths of Haven in constant fear of a troll spawn is fun. The vast requirements for mining, not so much fun.


Xcom wrote:
algeralith wrote:
Xcom wrote:I'm the first and only heavy scripter that will ever be brave enough to admit to scripting.


No, your just the only one to act like a complete dick with a massive ego about it...


Yes I am. I'm proud of myself for learning coding from scratch with barely any aid or support, achieving something outside of a digital game. Something that I can apply in real life while most others just have spent hours yoloswaging forth and back or farmed endless digital crops. So why shouldn't I be.

I'm proud enough to say I self educated myself to a point where I can now write java. Fuck anyone who thinks my accomplishments are just bunch of shitty scripts and nothing I have accomplished is worth a damn.


As a computer scientist looking to unwind, I am extremely grateful for the work you have made public in the Wizard Tower. However, I would have to agree that your statement is a bit egotistical. I'm glad you enjoy writing code and I hope you continue on pushing your education.

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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby romovs » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:22 pm

robous wrote:The best preventative to automating tasks in a game like this would be to not make Haven 2.0 open source.


It takes exactly half an hour to decompile something the size of Haven client and make a build-able project.
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby borka » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:22 pm

i heard rumors hafen client will be written in encrypted assembler :P
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Re: Is anyone "not" using a bot?

Postby windmaker » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:24 pm

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