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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby DeBosh » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:38 am

burgingham wrote:You know supporters of conspiracy theories always think they had it all figured out while everyone else is blind, when in reality it is them choosing the easy way out. Conspiracy theories provide a simplified view on reality, an easy black and white sheme (that might be also appealing because it has this little shock effect in it). Above that it also resembles religion a lot since it has a 100% unscientific discussion base. The very foundation of science is it to be disprovable. Conspiracy theorists however will tell you when you disagree with them: "See! They got you wrapped in their cocoon of lies too. It is all part of their plan that you think like you do!"

That is like discussing with religious people wether god exists or not. It is futile. So can we keep this non-scientific nonsense out of a perfectly good thread?

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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby burgingham » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:41 am

I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby DeBosh » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:52 am

burgingham wrote:I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.

What i was trying to say in recent post, that said 'cospiracy teories' are not even that 'conspirated' at all. It all depends on point of view, school education, social position and stuff. So, to have discussion in first place, i want not only to hear 'hey man all this things you say are bullshit, i know it, been there myself, touched everything, you and your sources are douchebags', but actually some counter-arguments.
I don't actually believe that all that was behind invasion in Syria was only a will to establish so-called democracy. Ye kknow, things are always more complicatedthan that, and in my opinion, new regime would be even worse for people of lybia. Ofc, Qadaffi did some 'bad' things, but you can't make omlet without breakin some eggs.

Tl/dr: A man was killed w/o even facing some kind of court, thus clearing his name of some, if not all crimes. After all he's now more of a victim, than dictator.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby rozn » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:01 am

DeBosh wrote:
burgingham wrote:I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.

What i was trying to say in recent post, that said 'cospiracy teories' are not even that 'conspirated' at all. It all depends on point of view, school education, social position and stuff. So, to have discussion in first place, i want not only to hear 'hey man all this things you say are bullshit, i know it, been there myself, touched everything, you and your sources are douchebags', but actually some counter-arguments.
I don't actually believe that all that was behind invasion in Syria was only a will to establish so-called democracy. Ye kknow, things are always more complicatedthan that, and in my opinion, new regime would be even worse for people of syria. Ofc, Qadaffi did some 'bad' things, but you can't make omlet without breakin some eggs.

Tl/dr: A man was killed w/o even facing some kind of court, thus clearing his name of some, if not all crimes. After all he's now more of a victim, than dictator.

I think what Burg was saying is not that conspiracies are wrong. He does not want to go into that discussion because it usually gets to nowhere. Sorry if I am mistaken but that is what I thought he was trying to say.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby DeBosh » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:06 am

rozn wrote:
DeBosh wrote:
burgingham wrote:I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.

What i was trying to say in recent post, that said 'cospiracy teories' are not even that 'conspirated' at all. It all depends on point of view, school education, social position and stuff. So, to have discussion in first place, i want not only to hear 'hey man all this things you say are bullshit, i know it, been there myself, touched everything, you and your sources are douchebags', but actually some counter-arguments.
I don't actually believe that all that was behind invasion in Syria was only a will to establish so-called democracy. Ye kknow, things are always more complicatedthan that, and in my opinion, new regime would be even worse for people of syria. Ofc, Qadaffi did some 'bad' things, but you can't make omlet without breakin some eggs.

Tl/dr: A man was killed w/o even facing some kind of court, thus clearing his name of some, if not all crimes. After all he's now more of a victim, than dictator.

I think what Burg was saying is not that conspiracies are wrong. He does not want to go into that discussion because it usually gets to nowhere. Sorry if I am mistaken but that is what I thought he was trying to say.

And i was not saying that i want to discuss em with him. I mostly agree with everything Burgingham wrote in this topic so far, it's Chakravanti's postion that interests me.

To Burgingham: Of course, if you got more interesting things to read on this topic, i'll gladly browse it, if you want to share.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby rozn » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:10 am

Ahh, Ok. Ive also been reading into a lot of this and it is interesting. Burg does make a lot of sense though, I was mistaken before.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby kohg » Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:37 pm

DeBosh wrote:
burgingham wrote:I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.

What i was trying to say in recent post, that said 'cospiracy teories' are not even that 'conspirated' at all. It all depends on point of view, school education, social position and stuff. So, to have discussion in first place, i want not only to hear 'hey man all this things you say are bullshit, i know it, been there myself, touched everything, you and your sources are douchebags', but actually some counter-arguments.
I don't actually believe that all that was behind invasion in Syria was only a will to establish so-called democracy. Ye kknow, things are always more complicatedthan that, and in my opinion, new regime would be even worse for people of syria. Ofc, Qadaffi did some 'bad' things, but you can't make omlet without breakin some eggs.

Tl/dr: A man was killed w/o even facing some kind of court, thus clearing his name of some, if not all crimes. After all he's now more of a victim, than dictator.


Lybia, not syria.
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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby DeBosh » Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:56 pm

kohg wrote:
DeBosh wrote:
burgingham wrote:I was not talking about opinions. What you have been saying didn't make sense anyway and it didn't get better now. So unless you are willing to have an actual discussion let us please stop this right here.

What i was trying to say in recent post, that said 'cospiracy teories' are not even that 'conspirated' at all. It all depends on point of view, school education, social position and stuff. So, to have discussion in first place, i want not only to hear 'hey man all this things you say are bullshit, i know it, been there myself, touched everything, you and your sources are douchebags', but actually some counter-arguments.
I don't actually believe that all that was behind invasion in Syria was only a will to establish so-called democracy. Ye kknow, things are always more complicatedthan that, and in my opinion, new regime would be even worse for people of syria. Ofc, Qadaffi did some 'bad' things, but you can't make omlet without breakin some eggs.

Tl/dr: A man was killed w/o even facing some kind of court, thus clearing his name of some, if not all crimes. After all he's now more of a victim, than dictator.


Lybia, not syria.

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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby burgingham » Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:20 pm

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Re: Moammar al-Qadhafi = dead!

Postby snakkez » Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:04 pm

Hmm. World society just lost one of leaders who whas truly independent and was making his contry strong. Thanks to U.S. and France fags, Lybia was shocked by the civil war, the most senseless kind of war. I'm very, very sad about the death of one of greatest man of our century.
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