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[TeckXKnight]

I don't see how he's worse than a hardcore racist, and I don't advocate persecuting them either. Freedom of speech is easy to uphold when people are speaking things that don't offend; cases like this is where it's really put to test. IMO any speech that isn't directly dangerous should be allowed. And if he's ineffective, he's not dangerous.

Well, for one thing he was sexually assaulting women on video, which actually was breaking the law in the country he was in. Advocating illegal activity is often frowned upon but practicing illegal activity is a great way to get in trouble.

[MagicManICT]

And if he's ineffective, he's not dangerous.

A knife is still dangerous even if it's dull, correct? It might be less likely to cause serious harm normally, but it can still kill in the right circumstances.

If this guy really is assaulting these women and not "staging" it for videos as a shill, then how the hell has he not ended up prosecuted for sexual assault? He is American, right? And chocking is considered Aggravated Battery in most jurisdictions in the US, which can land a person 6-10 years in prison.

He may be on law enforcement radar, but I don't think it's for any of this. He's probably being watched for fraud and other con games.

[Flame]

Well, i don't get the discussion.
Everything he do is largely incriminable, in many ways.
What trick he's using to avoid the law?

[Tonkyhonk]

@teck, thanks, you have put it much better.

He is American, right?

i guess not. he works for this american company, Real Social Dynamics, but his nationality is said to be french according to a PUA wiki-ish site, and some comments by those who claim to know him in person say hes from switzerland.

Well, i don't get the discussion.
Everything he do is largely incriminable, in many ways.
What trick he's using to avoid the law?

does this link below help you to understand? (comments are more interesting to read, though.)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemoti ... -anywhere/
the point is that this guy hasnt been convicted. and to get him convicted, a victim must speak up, damaging her own life.
when people believe its a better idea to stop a crime from happening, the real life tells us to do nothing till it happens and then proceed to punish the perp. something is very wrong here, as if any punishments to the perp could heal the victims in any way.

[MagicManICT]

when people believe its a better idea to stop a crime from happening, the real life tells us to do nothing till it happens and then proceed to punish the perp.

There's a fine line between "would like to think that I am going to kill that asshole that pissed me off" and "I'm planning on killing that asshole that pissed me off." You can't really prosecute either one without trampling all over basic human rights. In the latter case, you can try only if you can prove that the guy is actually in the process of doing so. Even the most inept of people won't leave much laying around that can prove it.

What trick he's using to avoid the law?

Either what Tonky says (no victim is willing to come forward), or claiming the videos are strictly "dramatic reenactments" and no people were actually harmed.

I know it's hard bringing an abuser to court because that means reliving the abuse. Even if the abuse "isn't damaging," it's still a very large hassle being interviewed by detectives, social workers, and showing up in court for something a person may think "is nothing." If a person can be convicted for owning a bomb making guide (even if not planning on making a bomb), then shouldn't promotion of a criminal activity like sexual assault fall under the same rules? (Probably the reason he's been kicked out of/blocked from entering a few countries.)

[borka]

lol there is verbal uproar already over here in Germany cuz that guy announced he's coming over in december to give seminars

i hope that they don't succeed in stopping him from getting over here i know some gay guys here that would love to show him the game

btw. that guy is originating from switzerland quit a prestigious European business school in his second year in order to make the move to the Los Angeles - no wonder looking at the prices for his "seminars" and stuff ...

[overtyped]

lol there is verbal uproar already over here in Germany cuz that guy announced he's coming over in december to give seminars

i hope that they don't succeed in stopping him from getting over here i know some gay guys here that would love to show him the game

btw. that guy is originating from switzerland quit a prestigious European business school in his second year in order to make the move to the Los Angeles - no wonder looking at the prices for his "seminars" and stuff ...

I think it's great that people go see his seminars, because you can't shield people from their own stupidity. If stupid ignorant people go to his seminars and do stupid ignorant things after watching it whats the complaint? they were already stupid and ignorant to begin with.
Maybe the host of the seminar can add in some safety tips while giving his speech, like don't touch hot things that can burn you, and don't put plastic bags over your head. That would increase the survival of the people that watched that seminar by perhaps as much as 30%.

[Tonkyhonk]

There's a fine line between "would like to think that I am going to kill that asshole that pissed me off" and "I'm planning on killing that asshole that pissed me off." You can't really prosecute either one without trampling all over basic human rights. In the latter case, you can try only if you can prove that the guy is actually in the process of doing so. Even the most inept of people won't leave much laying around that can prove it.

ofc people wouldnt try to persecute you for simple hate posts online like "ill kill you" and stuff, no matter how much you hate this person as much to want to kill him/her, as people can see it is written as insults but not as actual murder announcements in advance like ISIS. this guy has made his intention crystal clear by his vids, tweets, and his lectures at bootcamps held worldwide in the past. he needs to be persecuted either for sexual assaults/harrassments, or for fraud as you say if he prefers to admit that, although some male supporters of his may hate to accept the latter.
you cant really ask for the human rights of this guy while endorsing ripping off the rights of half of the human race.

Either what Tonky says (no victim is willing to come forward), or claiming the videos are strictly "dramatic reenactments" and no people were actually harmed.

If stupid ignorant people go to his seminars and do stupid ignorant things after watching it whats the complaint? they were already stupid and ignorant to begin with.

there already are people who were harmed by the videos. even if those girls in the vid might have pushed him away when the video stopped recording or video was edited or it was a fiction or blah blah, they are most likely too embarrassed to claim anything, and people who know them can tell who they are. foreign males hanging in tokyo and japanese girls with foreign boyfriends/husbands have to face the prejudice. (though those who get prejudiced by it are also wrong and such prejudice wasnt too new anyways, but the bashing will be much harsher now than before.) YOU may be the next victim who gets illcomed with disgusted looks by people here.
a vlog by a white male living in japan
a very cute advice(?) by a malay boy

If a person can be convicted for owning a bomb making guide (even if not planning on making a bomb), then shouldn't promotion of a criminal activity like sexual assault fall under the same rules? (Probably the reason he's been kicked out of/blocked from entering a few countries.)

a person can be quarantined or denied visa for a potential virus spreading risk, promotion of a criminal activity is another retarded virus. we all know the world is filled with enough creeps who arent immune to these viruses that normal people hardly catch. we all are aware that this virus can be spread by internet, and denying visa to an individual and his group cant stop it easily, so id appreciate it if you take this movement as to distribute "anti-virus" for free, so to speak.

i hope that they don't succeed in stopping him from getting over here i know some gay guys here that would love to show him the game

lol

[overtyped]

there already are people who were harmed by the videos. even if those girls in the vid might have pushed him away when the video stopped recording or video was edited or it was a fiction or blah blah, they are most likely too embarrassed to claim anything, and people who know them can tell who they are. foreign males hanging in tokyo and japanese girls with foreign boyfriends/husbands have to face the prejudice. (though those who get prejudiced by it are also wrong and such prejudice wasnt too new anyways, but the bashing will be much harsher now than before.) YOU may be the next victim who gets illcomed with disgusted looks by people here.

It doesn't matter if what he says is harming or not, freedom of speech even applies to stupid or irrational ideas. Do you also want to silence everyone who is retarded, like people holding signs on the side of roads that read " DOOMSDAY IS UPON US"? If people are so worried about harmful ideas, surely a homeless man with his doomsday sign is just as harmful? No.. the reality of it is if we payed as much attention to this guy as we do to incoherent doomsayers with signs then there wouldn't be a problem. Instead everyone wants to blow this mans retarded ideals out of proportion and put him on a pedestal, giving him exactly what he wants, good work.

[borka]

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Maybe the host of the seminar can add in some safety tips while giving his speech, like don't touch hot things that can burn you, and don't put plastic bags over your head. That would increase the survival of the people that watched that seminar by perhaps as much as 30%.

yeah guess you're right - some preventional safety tips would prolly help like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH5a-deHquc to prevent this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... nline.html

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