Parents murder kid (discussion on death penalty)

[GrapefruitV]

Damn capitalists!


Dagrimreefah already mentioned that this is just an assumption. Meanwhile charity and crowdfunding work perfectly fine without government interruption (in my country private funds even work much more efficient than state ones). The thing is, the more control government has, the more corrupted and bureaucratic it gets. Corruption can not be exterminated as long as there are people, who has monopoly on such spheres as medicine or transport and can deside whether you're getting permission to start your business or build a house on your land.

[MagicManICT]

@Grapefruit: Nice album art, there.

Everyone does realize public schools are there to "normalize" the population into socialist ideals, right? One actually gets educated to restrict the freedom of choice for the better of society. (True fact. Read up on the philosophy and purpose of creating broader public education systems.) Of course, the extent of this is determined by each nation and locale. Some do promote freedom of choice within boundaries more than others. Some don't want to teach any sort of freedoms, ie the life belongs to the people/State.

[Flame]

Every big educational system can easily become a way to "normalize" people on a standard. That's why we should never forget that our rights aren't free. Every inch of our freedom (freedom to have culture, freedom to not die in a street, etc) aren't there for some god gift. Are there because we wanted them and now we should defende it as much as we can.

I'm looking at my school system that is slowly becoming an american school system, little by little. I'm sorry to say this, but, basically, is becoming shit.
No time to study proprely what is usefull for the individual culture, and too much hurry on everything.
What i'm expecting next is that the university becomes privates, so "normal people" can't study if have no money (and university taxes are higher than the standard school, but still affordable.)

The school system is the base of the society.
And yes. It can be a giant brain washing machine, but look at me and say to me if the news, the newpaper and other tv things aren't a giant brain washing machine. They are.
In a school you HAVE to study history, and you HAVE to use historical books. And is harder to hide everything. When you wanna hide something, you should not talk of that thing. More you're forced to talk, more you study, more you can see that something is missing and more you have the tools to search. (Internet is useless if you don't know the name of what you need).

What whould be without a school system? Well, the boss paradise.
No one know nothing, no one have the will to care of other things and so no one can step out the standard life that he know. And who have the will to know more, haven't the tools and every dream stop there.
A giant small town of small brains.

Imho, school is 100 times better than the no-culture.


Ps: anyway the first school system was created in the Roman Era. Quite some time before the socialism. XD

[Argus]

Hence the rise of home-schooling in the U.S. as well as private and charter schools. Right now the public school system is an offense to actual education all the way back to when Thog was showing his fellow cavemen how to do those paintings in Lasceaux, France.

I would like to argue one point though.

In a school you HAVE to study history, and you HAVE to use historical books.

Nope. One of the reasons for the aforementioned rise is how things like history, language, etc are being diluted and replaced with crap. It's like the old computer maxim: garbage in, garbage out.

[Flame]

being diluted and replaced with crap.

Yes. This have happened and happens, without doubt. But what i'm pointing out is that is not so easy to totally erase a school system.
The facts can be different and politically pro to something that is convenient, but the Names can't be changed. To change the name of things you need a fully closed distopy, where every person in the country is a robot and follow the big brother.
Nope. This is'nt possible. You can only keep quiet and calm a large amount of normal (basically, stupid) people.

Why names are so important? Because every country have his personal view of the story, but all the countries knows the same name of that piece of history.
This way, i can easily access to your country information, that will tell the other part of the story. (and that's why i fight whoever tries to shut down the net. I need it!)

Or also, i could just search for a real (and boring as hell) history book not suggested in a school and Read.
Read the fruit of the job of a MAN that try to do his job well. This will give me so many informations that i'll have an average chance to get the true version, or just how things have gone (because the truth is relative).

All this was impossible if i didn't had a school time.
And also, remember: every country have a gain on hide what the country have done wrong, and a really big gain on say what the Other country have done wrong.

Somehow you can fix the puzzle.
But all of this is so if we talk of Modern History.
The "long time ago" history is, in large part, pretty true, and imho you can learn a LOT from it.

Ps: i'm in the "normal aka stupid" list of people, because i hate to read and study. But i love to learn, so i've fulfilled my lazyness about reading with the curiosity of listen and look everywhere.
Sadly, how you can see, this brings me to know many and nothing at the same time, so i can't say the names of what i'm talking about and for this, i consider myself in the "stupid list".
This helps me to don't feel satisfied on what i already know.

[Argus]

While I agree with you on principles, I sadly must disagree with you in your belief that 'nothing can be hidden'. It's done by filling heads with worthless tripe -- much like fast food. It's by either diluting or even removing names from your curriculum.

Another part is what I like to call 'the thrill of the discovery'. You enjoy learning, so for you even if the study is tiresome, the fruits are worth it. I can dig that; I'm an almost compulsive reader, been so since I was a sprog. But a lot of students nowadays view it as a chore. To make matters worse, you have what is delicately termed the 'learning isn't cool' subculture. If ignorance is bliss, idiots like that must be in ecstasy, because they actively deride attempts by their peers to better themselves.

Peer pressure and pathetic curriculum. Not a good combination.

[Flame]

'learning isn't cool'

I'm lucky.
Here is quite ok if you like to have culture. What is not "good" is to teach to others. You seems boring or arrogant. Well, sometimes this is true, afterall.

But, for my luck, have a culture is not a sin, here. Not much people wanna have a nice culture, most of them just ignore the world and think to themselves but, for now, the worste american syntom (the discrimination of everything isn't "cool") haven't reached my coast.
It is coming.
And i'm watching, without the will to stop it.
I can't fight the colonization, but, meh, i'm not going to tear my hairs. I'll do my best, that's all.

And

'nothing can be hidden'

isn't what i've said. (Sorry, my english sucks)
i've sayd "The more you have to say, the less you can hide".
It's just the game rule. In a school you have to say a lot and to hide what is "nasty". Is a fair game, where you can fight back.
Without a school, you whould not know that there is a game on you head.

What you totally Don't Know, is something that you'll never try to know. This scares me more, honestly.
For this, i see the school as the best weapon we have, because is a place where both the sides are in a battle. The person vs the Censure = School Fight.
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And now, let's everybody eats the cake! >;D

[MagicManICT]

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i've sayd "The more you have to say, the less you can hide".
It's just the game rule. In a school you have to say a lot and to hide what is "nasty". Is a fair game, where you can fight back.

I know various locales have different rules, but there's tons of protests to hide the "nasty" in the US, usually without much success. (Younger students do get insulated from the worst.)

If you don't think the point of a public education system is to normalize the population into a better functioning society, you should go read up on the history of the system. That's one of the primary goals. A good education is the first, as smarter people generally make wiser choices, but teaching everyone to "play nice" together is right up there with it.

You can probably notice even in today's world in the industrialized nations with strong public education, impoverished areas with high drop out rates, and other countries with little to no education system. Crime is higher, people tend to be subjugated, etc. etc. Some of these things merely correlate to lack of education, but some are direct causes.

[Flame]

Every weapon is a resource for who hold the hilt, and a danger for who don't.
But now try to imagine to remove all the schools in the world.

Do you see anything better, from it? I see only more darkness and a renewed Kings and Kingdom system. That is slightly worse than the one we have now.

Ther's no reason to blind our eyes and say that a system (school or other system if you want) is "perfect" or "right". Meh. Of course NO.
Is it worste to don't have it? I see "no" as anwer. Is better to have a school, imho.
Can it be improved, hipotetically, to grab the hilt and use it better? Mmmhh... yeeah? Not so easily, but yeah.

So i wonder... Now that you see that every part of our world is a double blade weapon, what are you asking to do exactly?
Because Point Out things and say nothing more, brings to me the natural question towards you.

"And so? What are you trying to say, precisly?"

Thanks for your sharing, but i'm missing your eyes and your body, to understand more what you're trying to say.
This sounds so gay 8D

[overtyped]

Every weapon is a resource for who hold the hilt, and a danger for who don't.
But now try to imagine to remove all the schools in the world.

Do you see anything better, from it? I see only more darkness and a renewed Kings and Kingdom system. That is slightly worse than the one we have now.

Ther's no reason to blind our eyes and say that a system (school or other system if you want) is "perfect" or "right". Meh. Of course NO.
Is it worste to don't have it? I see "no" as anwer. Is better to have a school, imho.
Can it be improved, hipotetically, to grab the hilt and use it better? Mmmhh... yeeah? Not so easily, but yeah.

So i wonder... Now that you see that every part of our world is a double blade weapon, what are you asking to do exactly?
Because Point Out things and say nothing more, brings to me the natural question towards you.

"And so? What are you trying to say, precisly?"

Thanks for your sharing, but i'm missing your eyes and your body, to understand more what you're trying to say.
This sounds so gay 8D

You are right removing schools isn't a good option but the current methods of teaching are very poor.
Instead of teaching kids what to think, they should be taught how to think. For example, instead of showing kids the formula for a math problem, have them figure it out, and give hints. I've pretty much forgotten all complex math from school, because I didn't figure it out my self, the formula was just handed to me, and I think those kinds of teaching methods don't stick with you.
Another method that would give people more awareness is if the teachers instructed students to remember conversation, like perhaps the teacher could talk, and at random ask the kids to repeat what he just said word for word. This is way more effective than memorizing a date in a history book, because it's practical. You want people who can listen more than memorize.