Information about me. The face behind the griefer.

[Ferinex]

Alright, so, you are saying we aren't doing anything to help you, when we can. You're right. We can. We could invite those goons who want to play legitly into our cities to live behind our walls, and frankly, I'd do it. I would. But those walls aren't just protecting me, they are protecting other citizens too. I happen to know these citizens and will talk to them about bring in immigrants, even if we need a designated refugee area for you to live in separate from us. I'm speaking of Stillmeadow, by the way.

My only other point I have to make right now: I warned many goons as they entered the game to disassociate themselves with JTG/Goku. I told them this would happen, that the rest of Haven would not accept them, and end up genociding them. That is what's happening right now, a goonicide.

[theTrav]

... wall of text with many things implied but difficult to make out any detail ...

Answer his questions more concisely:
1 - Were you in goon ville or did you have a separate village on the edge of the map
2 - Who specifically killed you and the 5 other members of your community, did you get a name?

Plenty of towns will take you in, there's no need to go solo, and I don't really believe people are going around kicking over new settlements without a reason.

[JTG]

Goons must play as our slaves, OR THEY WON'T PLAY AT ALL!

[Colbear]

Okay. We have 50 players anticipated between now and next week. They ALL want to play together and chat together. They ALL want to have newbie support, up to and including "how do I get to town", "how do I do this", and "help I need X can you give it to me". Some of them will be retards, some of them will be assholes, but all of them will be loyal to each other except for the 2-3 who are going to go, "fuck goons" and smash what they can for the hell of it, and you don't know who those guys are. And almost all of them will be making off-color jokes, comments, and remarks to each other.

Can you take all of them, together? Do you have that kind of space? If you don't, are you willing to rearrange everything to GET that kind of space? Are you willing to do newbiesupport, item ferrying ("wait it says I need a dream how do I get it where are they"), and put up with people being total retards? Even the assholes deserve to play with us and are welcome to until they try to fuck us over. Is that okay with you? What if a handful of them decide they don't like your rules, and want to leave? Can they leave? What if one of them decides to steal something (with actual theft on a claimed land), and everyone else laughs and cheers him on -- then what do you do? Who do you "punish"?


You can't integrate Goons, and you can't separate them from each other either, because that splits up the community and if they were willing to split up, they'd make a solo alt and play it elsewhere; at most, you can ghettoize them until they decide they're strong enough to break away and go somewhere else, which is hardly a good idea because it usually goes along the lines of

"do this for us do that for us"
"okay fine just keep us safe :3"
"hey do this too now"
"No fuck you we don't have to deal with you anymore, we can play on our own we don't need your superiority and your whining and your idiot pubbies"
"fuck you we'll kill you"
"not if we kill you first"
"*bloodshed*"

Anyways, I'd rather die with JTG/Goku than ditch him and play with pubbies. You don't tell me who I'm allowed to talk to, especially when that person is the one that brings me into the game and helps me get settled.

We play together, cooperatively. We do not cast out our members unless they are hostile to Goons. And, frankly, it's no fun to ditch my friends just because you think they're too mean to play with you.

Trav:

Goonville was looted and destroyed by Sami and his friends. We moved to a new village, LITERALLY the directions were "go this way until you hit the end of the map, then go this other way". It took me fucking forever to walk people from the center of town to our new location, while the old town was maybe 3-4 minutes walking.

Jon killed a bunch of us, and then the alts. Dunno what he did to the rest of the town or how much he dismantled, but apparently he smashed a palisade gate while we were trying to wall ourselves in. The first time, when he walked into our town and killed us all, I thought it was pretty funny. Unfortunately, he's chilling in our private IRC channel right now because he's an SA member, so we're not going to be able to exclude him from our stuff (and adding more security is annoying and boring and no fun), and he's apparently nerdraged enough that he's gonna hunt us down over and over at any new locations we choose.

[DarkestLite]

I have two alts who are now currently dead thanks to this "Jon" fellow. 1 shotted both times. Awesome stuff. Though, I as a goon am not going to let this discourage me and will be back stronger and awesomer (Yes, awesomer) than ever before. Time to watch Braveheart.

[Ferinex]

I never said you would be slaves or second class citizens in any way. I was talking about the goons who actually wanted to play the game as non-criminals.

Either way the other members of my village were against the idea because of the unnecessary attention it would draw.

Oh, right, I never told them NOT to talk to JTG, I just .... well, exactly what I said: warned them. I said if they do, this would happen. And it did. That makes me right.

Good luck for your new village, glad to see you making it on your own.

[Colbear]

Um, our new village just got raped and pillaged and our newbies are dead.

The goons who want to play as non-criminals ALSO want to play with the goons who play as criminals. If you're splitting them up, it wouldn't have worked anyways. (But let's be honest here: the goons who wanted to play without goons are doing so with no one the wiser anyways). And yes, you were right: you implied that goons playing with JTG will be hunted down and executed, and they were. However, that doesn't mean they're going to ditch him -- we're just going to go in and know we're going to be executed for playing with him.

He's a raging retard, not a leper, and goons play perfectly well with the former.

[Ferinex]

Um, our new village just got raped and pillaged and our newbies are dead.

I was being sarcastic :3

[niltrias]

For my part, I welcome the goons. The more the merrier. And I don't particularly care who associates with who.

However, I will say that associating with JTG is like putting a target on your forehead. Thats not a threat from me, by any means, just a statement of fact. JTG has griefed, theived, and generally infuriated a LOT of people, and will likely continue to do so in the future. Many of his future victims will track him down; some will limit their actions to his person, but many will also inflict collateral damage. This kind of thing will happen independent of which towns like you or which towns dont, or whether sami likes you, or anything else.

So live with whoever you want, but if its JTG, don't whine about it on the forums when angry Haveners come knocking on your door looking for their stuff. Its going to happen.

[theTrav]

Trav:
Goonville was looted and destroyed by Sami and his friends.

Destroyed? From what I heard he had a lot of wrought stolen from him and took it back... I think you might be exaggerating what happened here...

We moved to a new village, LITERALLY the directions were "go this way until you hit the end of the map, then go this other way".

Ahh, ok. So that was all/majority of goon players?

Jon killed a bunch of us, and then the alts. Dunno what he did to the rest of the town or how much he dismantled, but apparently he smashed a palisade gate while we were trying to wall ourselves in.

This Jon guy sounds pretty nasty, I haven't heard of him before though...

Unfortunately, he's chilling in our private IRC channel right now because he's an SA member, so we're not going to be able to exclude him from our stuff.

Oh... wait... He's one of you? I don't understand why you're raging at us non-SA guys for something one of your SA guys is doing... I'm pretty sure you could get a ranger to take this Jon guy out if you approached them.


It sounds a bit like you're shooting yourself in the foot and getting upset that it hurts... If you want to live with criminals, who steal stuff from neighboring communities, then you're going to get angry neighbors in your hood killing your dudes and busting up the place, but it doesn't even sound like that's what's happened here, it sounds like you've just got a discontent member raging out. I don't really follow what you're looking for from us.