Acathla

[Raephire]

I dont know who you are, or who you think you are, but I discovered your murder scents amidst a swamp. with dozens of skeletons, I've knocked you out and destroyed your hearth fire.

Please explain the situation or ill use the other scents to finish what i started.

[Delamore]

I believe those alts were from the group that JTG created with offensive names ranging from Nigger to Hitler.

[Raephire]

I believe those alts were from the group that JTG created with offensive names ranging from Nigger to Hitler.

Very possible, but JTG tries to lure people in by stealing. You dont murder the alts. You make them take time. Knock them out and destroy their hearthfire, destroy structures and buildings they own, strip them of even their backpcks. They will grow tired.

[Delamore]

I believe those alts were from the group that JTG created with offensive names ranging from Nigger to Hitler.

Very possible, but JTG tries to lure people in by stealing. You dont murder the alts. You make them take time. Knock them out and destroy their hearthfire, destroy structures and buildings they own, strip them of even their backpcks. They will grow tired.

Either that or it was his industry alt.

[Colbear]

From the "Your Morals Suck" thread.

Well, here's a counter-example. I killed an alt a few times, because I thought it was funny (it was my alt, I had my permission to do so, and they were funny-themed names). I was doing some stuff with the belief sliders, and though it was technically a crime, I tried to do it in an out of the way place (and then i wasn't paying attention and accidentally followed some people in a populated area where I did it, um).

Someone came by to my hearth while I was there working on trees or something, and after a couple minutes of confusion (I wasn't sure if he wanted to take my stuff or what, so I was being a bit cagey and wary, and he wasn't upfront with what he was doing), he explained that he found a murder scent I left. I explained that I was killing an alt, gave him the alt's name (KHEZU. I also killed an Aptonoth, a Vespoid, a Hornetaur (maybe), and a Khezu Whelp. lol (explanation here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_hunter )), and that was that.

That's how rangers SHOULD behave. If they want to behave as law enforcement, then they have to behave responsibly and be willing to hear the story. If all they're doing is going over and killing people because they CAN, well... they're strong enough to do that, but they DO NOT have the right to take a moral stance. They're not behaving morally, they're behaving like huge bullies.

I agree with you, as far as this is concerned. I'm just worried, because sometimes, rangers don't wait -- sometimes, they shoot first, ask examples later. I mean, take for example my gimmicky "let's kill some alts with funny names" thing. Would I have died if I was offline because I didn't explain myself (wasn't there to do so)? Will someone come kill me now, because they can summon me at hearth?

I don't like that fear, that worry that someone will kill me because THEY CAN, and for no other reason (which is why I haven't committed any crimes, but this one seemed like a good idea at the time).

What happens when people aren't around to explain themselves? Who waits? Will they wait? What if they feel they're above such petty things as what we expect? What STOPS them from wreaking havoc? What protects us from them?

1. I was making an industry alt.
2. I decided that, since I was going to kill them anyways, I'd do it in a way that I found entertaining.
3. They were my alts, and I killed them with my full consent.
4. I brought them to a swamp and arranged them in a cross before killing them, because I felt like making a pattern -- they all had "monster" themed names (explanation above).
5. Seriously, man, I posted like yesterday explaining what happened and why I thought it was shitty that some rangers seem to think "shoot first, ask questions later" is a reasonable solution to something they were not involved in.
6. In the interests of full disclosure as far as "I'm not willing to listen to an explanation before fucking up your shit" is concerned, I have left a battery scent just outside the rob. What happened was, I was helping a newbie goon, and when I asked if he was a goon, he said yes immediately instead of being cagey about it or asking if I was first -- so I decided it would be funny to pop up the aggro box in the top right, to spook him a little bit.

My intent was to pop the box, then run away without getting a shot in (which happens with animals all the time when I don't want it...). However, I underestimated my closeness/speed, and accidentally knocked him out in one hit (which I was also not expecting). I immediately apologized, canceled the combat (obviously), and explained that I just meant to spook him and was messing around. Then, since none of our town inviters was online, I ported to town and brought him some starter newbie armor that we had, and gave him some more newbie advice and stuff before I had to go. (I also asked him to post his name on the SA thread, because I'm sure people would complain if I gave town stuff to non-goons).

His username was Alavian. You can ask him about it if you see him.

[Raephire]

Scent dropped. But colbear, please, in the future. Kill your alts in your cottage on your property, preferably behind a wall.

Aside from your hearthfire and you I didnt touch anything. I also dont snoop, so , YEA.

Issue resolves as far as Im concerned.

ALSO - I was that ranger who tracked the person down and asked why he killed those people. and saw that his response was appropriate.

If I see theft scents I identify people only, If its a murder scent or several murder scents, I'll knock them out and destroy their hearth. Unless they are available then I talk.

Ask the goons, I do that even to them, they explain what happened, chances are I'll walk the hell away - Unless it's a repeat offense, then I will treat it like you were lying to me


That would be a mistake.

[Colbear]

Scent dropped. But colbear, please, in the future. Kill your alts in your cottage on your property, preferably behind a wall.

Aside from your hearthfire and you I didnt touch anything. I also dont snoop, so , YEA.

Issue resolves as far as Im concerned.

I don't want to drag someone over 20 minutes just because I want another industry tick. Running there was bad enough the FIRST time, doing it repeatedly sucks ass (and the prospect of doing it again does not please me).

I really don't like this idea you seem to have, of yourself as the big bad policeman and everyone else as subject to your will -- I mean, they ARE subject to your will, as far as "I can crush them while blindfolded" is concerned, but that way lies bullying and "rule by fear", which is kind of a dick move. If you want to play "internet policeman", you should act responsibly instead of abusing your power.

Why do you think you have the right to intrude on private matters? (I consider private matters to be all matters that don't involve appeal to a third-party such as yourself or the forums). You basically came over, smashed me and my hearth, and THEN posted a somewhat rude demand that I roll over and explain myself to you -- why didn't you instead post saying "I found some bodies in a swamp and have the scents -- was that any of you, and would anyone like me to retaliate", or even more directly ask, "Hey, Acathla, what's up with these corpses I found with your scent on them" without attacking me and destroying my hearth first? If you asked nicely, I would have explained perfectly willingly about what I was doing and why.

There are peaceful solutions. You don't need to use force anymore -- everyone's pretty much afraid of you the way you want them to be; there's no need for "shows of strength". You can make whatever demands you want, which means that all "violence as warning" from players like yourself, Rift, etc, is unnecessary. Everyone already KNOWS that you can hunt them down and kill them if you feel like it, and that you spend enough time "patrolling" the map that you'll likely find any scent that's been left.

[Colbear]

If I see theft scents I identify people only, If its a murder scent or several murder scents, I'll knock them out and destroy their hearth. Unless they are available then I talk.

Ask the goons, I do that even to them, they explain what happened, chances are I'll walk the hell away - Unless it's a repeat offense, then I will treat it like you were lying to me

1. Why do you knock them out and destroy their hearth?
2. Why do you not allow repeat offenses? What if a newbie goon asks in IRC, "Hey I want an industry/nature alt too!" or, "Wait can someone show me how to get full peaceful?" Naturally, he wouldn't be able to do it himself, because he wouldn't have any skills/LP yet. And to be honest, if I thought I could "get away with it", I'd probably just be like, "Yeah you have to kill yourself repeatedly, and bathing in leeches takes forever. If you really want, we can go out of the way and I'll murder you a few times until you like where your sliders are. I've done it before, I'll walk you through how to inherit and change your beliefs and stuff."

Because that, too, would be a private matter (and a run to goontown's unfeasible, because it's a) really far, and b) would otherwise require an inviter to be on, which isn't always the case), and a matter I personally don't think you should immediately decide "HEY I NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS LETS HUNT THEM DOWN AND SMASH THEIR HEARTH HAHAHA THEY SURE LEARNED THEIR LESSON" about.

[Blaze]

Hey, I've yet to use my character strength as a deterrent for crime or griefing and I've never threatened anyone explicitely, so don't lump me in with those that do.

[Raephire]

You make a strong point. Very well, from this moment on I will disregard all random scents I discover, even murder scents Unless they directly involve me, or someone else involves me.


See, I can be a good boy