What if JnL sold Haven to GabeN?

[crfernald]

Can you imagine a world where Haven and Hearth wasn't pure shit? A world where the server wasn't a Commadore 64 in Albania? A world with many hats and vaguely homosexual bromance between a twink and a bear?



Welcome to GabeN and Hearth.

How does lp gain work?

Same system as prior to W5, but thanks to VAC secured servers, and there are multiple servers, botting is non existent.

What happens to people who hack other players accounts?

They are banned permanently from multiplayer games on Steam servers.

What about critiques and ideas?

They're actually implemented on the community mod server, a test server reset daily that provides players with administrative tools for testing new contributions to the game. The most talked about contributions are chosen by Valve staff to integrate over time.

What about PvP?

It actually gets balanced, with cqc and ranged both being viable, and with the new servers doesn't lag like shit making it unplayable.

What about client mods and everything getting out of hand with the technical arms race?

There's one client, that isn't in fucking Java, that has been designed by the crack team at Valve softworks.

But I like Jorb's art style, it's cozy like my trailer park.

Valve's artists didn't fail out of Swedish Fish Art School.

What about all my other problems?

It's fucking Gabe Newell on the job. He'd fix your problems before you even knew you had them and then give you a free hat.

If the devs sold HnH to GabeN for some tacos it would be the greatest thing to ever happen. There would be tons of cool shit and it would win GOTY. Prove me wrong.



But really, this thread is about if HnH was developed by someone other than some autistic Norwegians. How do you think it would come out? I honestly think it wouldn't be bad at all, probably really good, better than Minecraft for sure.

[AAlex]

k.

[Zombercules]

Oh you forgot one very important thing. Valve runs on "Valve time" (look it up if you're unaware) and even if they said they were gonna update the game it wouldn't get done when they said or even the year they said and chances are they would never put their top guys on a game like this ( meaning not one of their own babies eg. Half Life, Portal, Team Fortress etc) without damn good reason. Don't get me wrong I like Valve but they work slower than old people fuck.

PS where the hell is HL3 ?!

[sabinati]

as much as i'd love to see this game taken to The Next Level it will never happen, ever. Salem will, of course, be better than Haven in a lot of ways for a long time, until they have time to really work on Haven again.

[Darhole]

as much as i'd love to see this game taken to The Next Level it will never happen, ever. Salem will, of course, be better than Haven in a lot of ways for a long time, until they have time to really work on Haven again.

i know you are close with them. Because salem is such a closely knit idea and concept, do you actually see them returning to this or focusing solely on salem until they decide to maybe code a new HnH without a java client.

[sabinati]

uh, well as far as i know it will always be java client. they will for sure be doing more development on h&h, though.

[Nummy]

I support HnH to be sold or properly remade by someone. Heck maybe already is someone working on that.
Hnh can stay in Java waters, it just needs some optimizing and love.

[HarryDresden]

Quite honestly, I love HnH for what it is, and I thank Jorb and Loftar for their work. Is it perfect? Fuck no. Will it ever be perfect? Of course not. Part of it is dev fault, and let's face it, just because they're gods in games doesn't make it so in meatspace, but they're doing the best they've got. The other part of the problem is the community it's self. We're not doing enough to help out. We could be doing quite a bit more to help the game along and make the Dev's time and money more focused. We need more of a Gray Hat mentality, destroying what we love for the sake of fixing what we love. Bugs, Exploits, Hacks, Glitches. They all need Time, Focus, and attention. They'll often go months without resolve simply because it's pretty god damn tedious to do so, and that takes time, which the devs don't have.

When we have the proper combination of Dev focus, attention, time and money, as well as the proper Community drive and effort expended, that's when the game will really take off.

[maze]

This needs to be stated over and over again...

J&L are currently rebuilding HnH from the ground up, thats why were not seeing new update's.
Right now what they need is bug tester's, and people to find the exploits.

They wish to fix there current game and there mess of code rather then update new items/ content into the game.

Anyhow that's what "L" told me.
There not releasing that info to the pubic, my guess it cuz they don't want to ruin there alreadying small player base.

[MagicManICT]

J&L are currently rebuilding HnH from the ground up, thats why were not seeing new update's.
Right now what they need is bug tester's, and people to find the exploits.

They wish to fix there current game and there mess of code rather then update new items/ content into the game.

Anyhow that's what "L" told me.
There not releasing that info to the pubic, my guess it cuz they don't want to ruin there alreadying small player base.

I don't know what all systems will see major updates/replacements after Salem comes out. We already know what the big mechanics bugs are. What else can we possible bughunt when for all we know it's going to get replaced six months after Salem is released? Sure, loftar gets in there and fixes emergency exploits when he has the time, but for all the small stuff, what time does he have?

As far as releasing info to the public... this has been said I don't know how many times publicly if you look through conversations and such. As far as specifics, they haven't said because some of the new ideas are supposed to be going into Salem and being implemented in HnH after Salem is released. I imagine some of those details are being kept quite because A) they aren't set in stone or B) it's a commercial project. They want to make money off it and not have their ideas snagged before the game releases. (Like anyone can develop an MMO fast enough to steal game mechanics....)

OP: while I like you're thinking process, posting that is just pure bullshit. HnH is nothing more than a MUD with a GUI. It's something every MMO developer has done since EQ came out. (Don't believe me? Dig into some of the histories of major MMO developers. They either did MUDs early on or worked on another MMO once they became the standard.) Selling the name would likely see a game in a year nothing like what we've ever played here. It'd be so nerfed that all the current vets would likely quit the game in protest. Of course, that's assuming anyone would see this and think they can make more than a few hundred dollars a month.