Steel Plate vs CTC

[SynthAura]

It seems to me that a CTC is better than a Steel Plate but I want some outside opinion before I make the purchase. I think Steel Plate is better for resisting ranged attacks,but it has a big agility debuff, whereas CTC has about 1k less HP and about 200 less armor class but buffs practical hand-to-hand combat skills. Which do/would you use and why?

[bmjclark]

I always use a CTC because with the CTC you can still get your AC high enough to not get hurt by ranged attacks (your gear still gets damaged) and you get the buffs from the ctc (it's about a 40 agi difference with a q90 steel plate i believe).

[Robben_DuMarsch]

I have heard the prevailing wisdom is CTC early-midgame, but when steel really starts to ramp up in quality (q200+ steel), and food is such high quality that a difference in 50 agility is not a big deal, then steel takes preference as it will render you immune to all non-penetrating damages and the downside is less than when 50 agility is considerable.

[_Gunnar]

ctc is better late game, since you can make really good hardened leather.

just work out what your ac is and make sure its higher than the best ranger bows are hitting for. a sensible hat is helpful to that end

[NOOBY93]

ctc is better late game, since you can make really good hardened leather.

just work out what your ac is and make sure its higher than the best ranger bows are hitting for. a sensible hat is helpful to that end

This is true.
Also, since most b12s can break your armor and almost no swords can, in melee combat it doesn't matter if you wear ctc or plate armor.
The only thing it matters is that unarmed attacks are taken down to minimal damage, and that they don't damage your armor.
For ranged, well, I doubt r-bows have gotten to the quality people can aim at running people, so just make sure you have enough to prevent wbows from hitting you. That way, you can't get ranged when you're outside. When you're inside just have sniperproof wall.

[Killface]

ctc is better late game, since you can make really good hardened leather.

just work out what your ac is and make sure its higher than the best ranger bows are hitting for. a sensible hat is helpful to that end

This is true.
Also, since most b12s can break your armor and almost no swords can, in melee combat it doesn't matter if you wear ctc or plate armor.
The only thing it matters is that unarmed attacks are taken down to minimal damage, and that they don't damage your armor.
For ranged, well, I doubt r-bows have gotten to the quality people can aim at running people, so just make sure you have enough to prevent wbows from hitting you. That way, you can't get ranged when you're outside. When you're inside just have sniperproof wall.

Pretty much pretend this post was never made. This is half-truth and idiocy. He seems to think that the higher the quality the rbow, the faster it aims, but that has to do with your MM versus Rbow quality.
"Most b12s can break your armor and almost no swords can.." Are you fucking retarded? Why would words like most and almost even be in that sentence?
A high quality b12 will smash for 1200+ dmg, plenty to overcome pretty much any soak value anyone has at this point or will have in the forseeable future, and carry over into absorb, which damages the hitpoints of the armor collectively but somewhat unequally. Sword damage was nerfed, but not to the point of uselessness. A well crafted soldier sword will still smash your armor.
"The only thing that matters is that unarmed attacks are taken down to minimal damage, and that they don't damage your armor" There is just too much ignorance in this to even begin to explain why what you said makes no sense at all.
Depending on the strength of the puncher, your UA value, and current defense levels, the punch will do a wide variety of damages. None of which will overcome the soak value of even mid-quality (50s-70s) set of armor.
All of this is besides the fact that all attacks now have an intrinsic armor penetration, with unarmed having more.

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Category:Armor

[stickman]

CTC is the way to go. people should be able to make 200q+ with top q wax and bear hide leather... whereas the best plates are probably sitting around 110 q and rediculously expensive because they were probably spiraled.

200q cutthroat = 335/335 = 670
110q steel plate = 496/248 = 744

so 70 points difference for the best stuff...

if your looking for midranged stuff i would still go for CTC's because people will be constantly refreshing them and you should be able to pick up q130-160 cheap when they do refresh.

q130 ctc = 270/270 = 540
q80 steel palte = 420/210 = 630

90 difference on midranged.

The agility is the deal breaker though... I went straight from leather armour to CTC this map. No metal plates.

[NOOBY93]

ctc is better late game, since you can make really good hardened leather.

just work out what your ac is and make sure its higher than the best ranger bows are hitting for. a sensible hat is helpful to that end

This is true.
Also, since most b12s can break your armor and almost no swords can, in melee combat it doesn't matter if you wear ctc or plate armor.
The only thing it matters is that unarmed attacks are taken down to minimal damage, and that they don't damage your armor.
For ranged, well, I doubt r-bows have gotten to the quality people can aim at running people, so just make sure you have enough to prevent wbows from hitting you. That way, you can't get ranged when you're outside. When you're inside just have sniperproof wall.

Pretty much pretend this post was never made. This is half-truth and idiocy. He seems to think that the higher the quality the rbow, the faster it aims, but that has to do with your MM versus Rbow quality.
"Most b12s can break your armor and almost no swords can.." Are you fucking retarded? Why would words like most and almost even be in that sentence?
A high quality b12 will smash for 1200+ dmg, plenty to overcome pretty much any soak value anyone has at this point or will have in the forseeable future, and carry over into absorb, which damages the hitpoints of the armor collectively but somewhat unequally. Sword damage was nerfed, but not to the point of uselessness. A well crafted soldier sword will still smash your armor.
"The only thing that matters is that unarmed attacks are taken down to minimal damage, and that they don't damage your armor" There is just too much ignorance in this to even begin to explain why what you said makes no sense at all.
Depending on the strength of the puncher, your UA value, and current defense levels, the punch will do a wide variety of damages. None of which will overcome the soak value of even mid-quality (50s-70s) set of armor.
All of this is besides the fact that all attacks now have an intrinsic armor penetration, with unarmed having more.

http://ringofbrodgar.com/wiki/Category:Armor

Aiming speed is raised by MMS ofc, but it's capped by bow/arrow quality. At this point, I don't think the cap is high enough for the aim to be fast enough to increase accuracy while someone is moving in running speed.
Do I have to spell this out for you?
If I have 1300 total armor class and a b12 with full martial deals 2000, I will die.
A soldier's sword with like 800 or 1000 dmg will not even DAMAGE my health.
People in combat nowadays use b12s because they're the only useful weapon.
If you have enough armor class to protect against unarmed attacks and bows (maybe rbows when they're high enough Q) you're good. You'll still die to b12s whatever you do, though.
Well, you probably got a bit confused with "smash armor". I didn't mean damage it. What I meant is, when you're up-to-date with armor, almost no sword can damage you. Most b12s can kill you.
Well... If you're that confident about using a sword to kill someone who has 1200+ AC, do it.

[jordancoles]

If I have 1300 total armor class and a b12 with full martial deals 2000, I will die.

You have less than 700 hitpoints?

[_Gunnar]

my sword can hurt people, if i could be bothered to log in...
also 2k damage on a b12 is quite shit