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[popfor]

Since I know that everyone on this forum is a massive loving hippie, I figured this would be extremely appropriate to place here.
Let us fund this and show our mercy apon the world.

http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/meet-the-people-who-want-to-turn-predators-into-vegans.html

by fund i mean fund the systematic extermination of people who have opposing beliefs to mine
but seriously i cant. i cant even right now. ugh. u cis scum u. think of the children. poor gazellelele ((

pls dont ban me i think this thread is ok and mostly in english : ((((


and ya its old news fuk off u cis scum cant comprehend humanity ugh

[TeckXKnight]

I know this is a troll but I'll bite. The article is idiotic in that it even acknowledges the idea of killing off predators -- removing predators causes explosions in herbivore populations and then mass die-offs. This isn't something that's theoretical either, we see that problem every day in the US thanks to our elimination of predators such as wolves, as the article expands upon. Deer populations are a menace both to humans and themselves because we've removed their predators. The article briefly talks about habitat destruction but an unchecked herbivore will completely desolate their niche if given the opportunity.

Another issue is that carnivores can't become herbivores. This isn't something that can be changed with simple selective breeding either. Any cat, big or small, that goes without meat will suffer absolute atrophy of their bones, damage to and failure of nearly all of their vital organs, blindness, deafness, and eventually death. Similar situations are true for every single carnivorous animal out there. It's actually so important for cats to eat meat that they've given up other taste buds to discourage sampling other foods, such as sweetness. To make any carnivore into an herbivore you'd need to remove their desire for meat, metabolic processes, physiological design, jaws and teeth, stomach, feet, sociological group behavior (it's really bad for herbivores to be solitary animals), and I'm sure just about everything else that makes them their own species. Essentially, what the article is asking for, is the extinction of all of these species, as anything that came out of the result of the necessary genetic manipulation to make a carnivore an herbivore would be so genetically distant from their species of origin as to fall into a different taxonomy entirely and would be incapable of producing offspring/that can reproduce with their former species.

So if everything they wanted came true we'd have 1 of 2 scenarios.
1) Herbivores become absolutely dominant and all species that can consume meat as part of their diet are killed off. Most plant species go extinct and most herbivores face near absolute or absolute die-offs as well.
2) Herbivores become absolutely dominant and it becomes humanity's job to kill as many of them as is possible. This one may actually not align with this movement's ideology though as humans are therefore causing 'suffering' to the species.

Then there's always the question about what you're doing with species like arctic penguins. Turning them vegan wouldn't leave them with any food sources at all. What are they going to eat, ice?

[Mr_Bellflower]

Another good example of this is Japan's overpopulation of deer. Barely any predators to counter them; even boars are out of control. All of them causing an estimated one to two billion in damages yearly. Harsh gun laws also make ti difficult to keep them in control and then you add on the decreasing hunter population yearly. You see other examples around the world as well. To many people figured we could up and give up hunting after doing it for centuries. Welp, centuries of the shit don't go away easily.

[borka]

by fund i mean fund the systematic extermination of people who have opposing beliefs to mine

come knock at my door ...

[Kaios]

Another good example of this is Japan's overpopulation of deer. Barely any predators to counter them; even boars are out of control. All of them causing an estimated one to two billion in damages yearly. Harsh gun laws also make ti difficult to keep them in control and then you add on the decreasing hunter population yearly. You see other examples around the world as well. To many people figured we could up and give up hunting after doing it for centuries. Welp, centuries of the shit don't go away easily.

Hunters get a bad rap and I feel the blame falls mostly on the extremists who go as far as to open-carry in public because they are "enacting their right to bear arms" and although I would consider the US to be the title holder of highest majority of these extremists I certainly don't limit that behaviour to the US alone.

A good hunter understands that in order to hunt you first have to ensure the environment you are hunting in is well cared for. Most people think all of them are wild west style gunslingers or something I guess.

[WaitingforHaven2]

Hunters get a bad rap and I feel the blame falls mostly on the extremists who go as far as to open-carry in public because they are "enacting their right to bear arms" and although I would consider the US to be the title holder of highest majority of these extremists I certainly don't limit that behaviour to the US alone.

Nah, we don't have gun crazies here (no guns allowed) and yet hunters still get a bad reputation and shit from animal activists. They like to bust hunting events by scaring animals away and following hunters around, shouting, getting in their way, etc. The real problem are all the hippies who believe they serve some greater good but don't think things through. And people being retards who fall for their emotional appeals.
Hippies won't ever be happy either. They always need some cause to play revolutionary.

[Mr_Bellflower]

Hunters get a bad rap and I feel the blame falls mostly on the extremists who go as far as to open-carry in public because they are "enacting their right to bear arms" and although I would consider the US to be the title holder of highest majority of these extremists I certainly don't limit that behaviour to the US alone.

A good hunter understands that in order to hunt you first have to ensure the environment you are hunting in is well cared for. Most people think all of them are wild west style gunslingers or something I guess.

The cases I'm talking about do not really rely upon that in general; per say its not the public who is against it as in a lot of these cases its hard to even find someone to stop a wild boar from going through their village. These tend to be limited at most as they rely not on the government restricting firearms but the population of hunters in general. Its so damn bad that the Japanese government is encouraging people to become hunters as at the current rate in 25 to 50 years there will be less than 0.1% of the population willing to hunt in general. Some other cases are present in the world but they are similar in that they are in smaller nations.

Though I quite heavily agree with your point on public opinion of hunters. A majority, a very high majority, understand the delicate balance hunting provides for humanity and nature. We borrow from it and leave behind some for the scavengers, bacteria, fungi, and plant life so we may continue to borrow from it in the future. Sadly we don't have a massive media to side with us and this plain logic we've held for centuries. The only difference now being we have different tools, such as firearms, to assist in the hunt. Quicker death for the prey as well and thus less suffering in general. Though I suppose we can't argue against the radicals as they'll call us ravign loons destroying the environment as they dine on a nice steak they bought.

[SnipSnip]

Though I suppose we can't argue against the radicals as they'll call us ravign loons destroying the environment as they dine on a nice steak they bought.

True story: some eco-nazi went up to my mom and ranted about how her 'purse was made from leather', and 'how many animals died to make it'. the eco-nazi wore a pair of leather boots. guess who went home buttmad

[Mr_Bellflower]

That is to funny.

I hope she shoved his own boots up his ass.