End of Flame's Comics

[Flame]

Damn, at the end i'm forcedd to stop this game, for me.
I create this topic just to say that: "don't wait more comics from me, i'm quitting" but then i've decided to put all my think in this wall of text. Probably some one don't care, well i hope so. I'm a newby like others newby, the only difference is that i can hold a pencil, afterall.

For who'd like to know why i'm quitting, (or for who whould loud "RageQuitMyLol") i'll explain it, or i try. Remember that i'm not english, so every cool philosophy, become a kid chatting in my hands, 'cuz i know few words and barely some grammatical rules XD.
Anyway, i'm quitting why:
This game is fucked cool. I love the system <3, i've searched such system for years. Is Age of Empire mixed with Ultima Online and with Risico. (well..not so much Risico, for now, but it will be so). Then why i quit a game that i love?
The idea of the game is great. Yes. But when we see how it is used, we can easily understand that have a huge bug.
Is a game of Building, that don't let you build anything. Everything you do, you are SURE that someday your town will be destroyed by a randomic troll, or also if you hide, you are SURE that they'll find you in few weeks, or if you'r lucky, we can say few months.
If this game whould be correct if the reason because you die or your work went wasted, is that you'r in war with someone and you die for a reason. Like in reality, if you die ther's ever a reason.
Was a thief, a killer or an accident or a war or the age, if you die, you die for a reason.

In this game you can potentially lose everything everyday for no reason. This is 'cuz THIS IS A GAME, so a troll don't care so much of conseguence. C'mon is just a game, why i coldn't do what i like and play a metagame all the time?
Why metagame? Because in the old ages, killers or thief where more prudents. If they killed someone, was because they needed to survive or to steal. Or maibe because they'd like to love some randomic girl in a village..but..hem, this isnt exactly in HH, actually. So let's go back to the reason: I kill for eat - For gain money - For kill my enemy. And i KNOW that, if i go to kill someone, i could die.
A farmer and a BigMan. The bigman have str 6000, the farmer have a sword.
In the reality, if the farmer hit the strongest man..the strongest man Die. No stats, no guarantee that you survive, also against a farmer. Here (like in other games) if you have a chara with 6000 str, you win. Simply-You-Win.
But is a game, so it could be okay. The problem is when the Game become a place where Bored People use theyr time to feel himself more cool. They'r not Playng Haven and Hearth, they'r Playing Unreal Tournament, where you can kill-die-reiz-kill-die-reiz.

One could say "well, man, you don't like the situation? Build yourself a cool pg."
Someone other could say "Ah. And then, that cool pg will die if i have a meeting with my girlfriend in the wrong day."
An another one could say "Usually, a game have rules. Why? To let everyone free to play. Actually, a game totally empthy of rule, HAVE a rule itself. The rule of Who is Strong Win. So this game isn't for everyone. Is only for nerds that can work all the day on his chara to be safe, or half safe."

If this game was more like Unreal Tournament, or World of Warcraft, i could say "ok. Is a game, like other games."
Everyone you can see that the potentiality of this game is really bigger than this. I can't trust that Devs really wanted a game like Unreal. Probably they whould see a game of developement AND war. War that don't delete all the game.
And when a player killer don't delete the game? When you die for game.
When you die because you'r in war. When you die for a reason that is more than "i was bored, man.". Because if a thief where bored, in reality, and he killed the first that he encountered, he was almost surely in danger. Kill for lol isn't reality, is metagame, and what i disagree is ONLY 1 Thing.

Devs laugh at this.


Devs. You'r crafting a huge game. A whole world.
Keep laughing at player that waste your game and this game will never grow more than an Unreal. If this is what you want, isn't so wrong. But then, why use so much time on economy and developement of citys?
Rules that force people to kill for a reason, are needed. If you kill, you can die in the battle. How much you'r bigger, doesn't matter at all, because a lucky hit of a farmer can hit your hearth in every moment.

My hint is to Rebalance the game.
My think is that Trolls and Devs are same. This is what Jorb let us see in his philosophy of "I can't steal a candy from that kid. Why? I Wanna steal that candy SO i steal that candy."
When i had 10 ages, i answered this question. You still didn't?

If you can survive in a house, with a pc, without go out to hunt all the day in danger, is because rules sayd "Let's work together in a society, so let's craft rules to guarantee the free of everyone."

If you disagree, can freely go in a remote land and live with lions. There the rules are "The strongest survive". You could die in 1 day, happily.
If you will not be happy to die, maibe you should rethink Why rules exist.

Personally i whould die in some forest. But simply i've understood WHY rules exist, so if i disagree i must leave. Simply. Steal that candy mean only that i'm Lazy to leave, i'm too stupid to live in my House.


Uhm. How much wrong did i wrote this wall of text?? Oh, who care. Was my last wall. I LOVE WALL OF TEXT \o\
No, That's not true. XD
So. I've sayd all the bads things, all the goods, but at the end i've loved this game. I really hope, one day, this game and his devs will grow up. A game like this, still don't exist. (But if he keep this road, it will never exist anymore)

So, see ya everybody and good game. And good luck to all the noobs. Good day and hoping a good eternal night, to all the trolls. Good work to all the Warriors that play this game in respect of the others, killing for a meaning.

Ohw, man, that was a cruel post. Well..it was my true think, can't do anything. XD

Bye :3

[Sarge]

From what I understood, is that you are asking for consequences for killing/attempting to kill someone and honestly, I agree with you. When someone kills someone for no good reason, they should be penalised for it and not just by now being in danger of being killed themselves, but by some other means, like a stat penalty etc., for choosing to be a criminal.

Thing is, how do you measure if it was a senseless killing, killing out of self defence etc.?

[vikingdragons]

and you hit so many points it ain't even funny

[Twentytwos]

I do agree with some of op's points, like in Mortal Online if you kill someone ur flagged to the world that ur a killer and if killed by anyone and lose 10% of your stats.The system is a bit more complex with different states of being flagged but i wont go into it by far not a prefect system. Alot of the the pker complian that its unfair, but its your choice to attack you chose your targets, all the advantages are on the pkers side so some kind of punishment is justified imo. Now im not siding on either side ive done both unforntaly i have done my far share of griefing on mmos, but only thing i can recomend in any mmo, more so to "sandbox" mmo is never get to attached too ur characters. I feel the op'ers pain but hey when it stops being fun and just cause anxiety,anger or sadness then its time to hang it up and walk away. Good luck too you, lets hope one day we all find our perfect mmo or get real lifes lol.

[JTG]

tbqh, This game is successful because in a world of restrictions, this shines brightly as a gem free for all hands to tarnish or shine as how they want.

This game has no advertising, isn't commercial, and yet it has grown from below 100 steadily to nearly 400.

They are doing something very right.


As much as you want to complain about the actions of others, it is up to you to convince people in game to stand together or find ways to defend yourself.

Sure, I could get murdered at any time by raiders.
But its a mistake on my part since I could have ran, dropped agro and logged off, or simply made a barrier, or even joined a village or number of people for safety, as they can work together or someone could die before me allowing me to escape.

But i'd have to agree with you on the combat system being terrible for people who can't play for days on end.

[Rhiannon]

Sorry to see you go Flame, I agree on 99% of what you said. I fight the same thing, a total love of the game, waited looked for years for such a game, only to be "led" by someone who says as you say "When I was 10 I wanted to punch kid in face and did not understand why I could not", so...as adult...the question still remains?..oh brother..yikees..LOL

It is sad situation, and I hate that you finally lost the battle between your love of H&H and the frustration of griefer recruiting. I am still hopeful that this world will have less griefing due to the changes that have been made...we can only hope, wait and see.

This game has no advertising, isn't commercial, and yet it has grown from below 100 steadily to nearly 400.

They are doing something very right.

You mean creating a game where many mature sandbox players find what they dreamed only to realize it is also a haven (no pun intended) to call out every misanthrope nerd greifer on the internet? Causing a clash (or maybe contest) to see how many of the sandbox players can last until driven off? Umm, yeah, I guess from a Dev standpoint that could be a "game" in and of itself. Maybe Flame is right, they should make up their mind which group they want and what kind of game they want. You can have a gated-community designed for Nuns or you can have one designed for serial killers...designing one for both is just never gonna play out very well in the end.

[Potjeh]

The world got a whole lot safer with the latest update. Well, not the world, but villages did. Brick walls are practically indestructible without rams, and rams give you one day warning, you just need to find them. If it's a random griefer you can just destroy the ram before it dries. If it's a group of players determined to break in, you won't be able to destroy the ram because it'll be guarded, but you'll have enough time to gather your most precious belongings and run away before they break in.

[JTG]

The game is actually far safer than it used to be, i don't see what your issue is

[Winterbrass]

I agree with you for the most part, Flame. Sorry to see you go - you will be missed.

[Flame]

Thanks for the answer, i admit that i feared some rage after my post.

"The game is actually far safer than it used to be, i don't see what your issue is"
I don't know how was the game some years ago, but for what i've heard around, probably it is more safe now. Not enough to garantuee me that if i use 4 month to build a city (with my few free time) this will not happen:
1 - the place will be full of people soon.
2 - so i can't hide
3 - so i'm dead for sure.

If i'm lucky i can die for a reason. Maibe someone hates me and decide to kill me. Or my city is rich and someone wanna steal it. This is okay. If i'm lucky this whould happen.
Can i use 4 or 5 month hoping to die luckily? I know i'll die for sure, because my time is few hours at day (for you probably is night, my day XD) and my chara will never be enough strong to fights against trolls. I can fight maibe noobs or commons warriors, but the trolls? No. And i like to defend myself from troll. I don't hate warriors, noobs or thiefs. Only trolls.
Is this game enough safe to let me defende from trolls that are nerd and have huge charas?
Only if trolls kills trolls. In that case the circle will restart and so go on.

What make me sad is that if a Troll kill me, and i say to devs "Guys, a trolls killed me for no reason, using bugs and trolling to mess with me Player, not me Character" they say "who cares? No rules, no boring." without understand that i'm not died in a game, theyr game where used by a kid to ruin my day.

To say the truth, i can fight against troll. Those are people, usually kids, or men with kids brains, but this game is RULED by devs, and if theyr rules are "We Dont Care", i admit that my power flow out. Why should i fight in a game, to defende my right to PLAY, when neither the bosses care of it?
This was the last drop that make my decision full. I can disagree people and try to defend myself but i cant use this game for a meaning that isn't the meaning of devs.

This game is a sad bait.
400 people.
300 wanna grow and develop a city, a world.
100 wanna kill-kill-sleep-kill-lolz-kill.
those 100 win against the 300 because those 300 can't win against the stats of the 100.

Are you sure that 400 people wanna play this HH bait, that is unreal tournament?

The bait can survive for years but is a circle of people that think to play a game and discover to have another kind of game. And when this game will be official and marketing expand this game, the chat too will grow and soon everyone will say
"Haven & Hearth - The World Of Pk" like was on Ultima Online.

and then the 300 people that mistaked the game, will never log in.
The game can survive with the 100 pk. But then it will no be anymore Haven & Hearth.

i can't say what is right. Only devs know.
(They know..?)