About maps n'mines..

[Hogarth]

I hear a lot about supergrids and the "new super grid".

How can I tell where I am in relation to the grids,

Is it still possible to attain a mine?
(If so, where? [As in how would I relocate myself on that grid ect])

Thank you,
Garth

[Lothaudus]

I hear a lot about supergrids and the "new super grid".

The short answer is that the world is broken up into "super-grids". A super-grid is a square approximately (actually, it's exactly) 5,000 tiles wide by 5,000 tiles high. Each super-grid (thanks to loftar's shitty map generator) is a self-contained unit. Meaning rivers end at the edges of the super-grids and do not flow into the adjacent super-grid.

To cross a super-grid, you must therefore find a spot at the edge (be that North, South, East or West) and walk across land. Sometimes, depending on the spot you choose to cross, you may end up walking for a few hours before you find another river. Then you might follow that river and disocover that you didn't actually cross a super-grid and instead crossed some really large slice of land. Then you might rage.

How can I tell where I am in relation to the grids,

This world was created with 25 super-grids arranged in a 5 x 5 square like so:

A1 B1 C1 D1 E1
A2 B2 C2 D2 E2
A3 B1 C3 D3 E3
A4 B1 C4 D4 E4
A5 B1 C5 D5 E5

Thanks to random spawning after character creation, you may be in any one of those super-grids. The only way to find out where you are is to pick a direction (North, South etc...) and travel as far that way as you can until you run into an "invisible wall" that you cannot cross. That invisible wall means you have encountered the end of the known world.

However, jorb and loftar are pesky buggers who add super-grids in non-square like arrangements, meaning the world could be something like this:

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      B0 C0
A1 B1 C1 D1 E1
A2 B2 C2 D2 E2 F2 G2 H2
A3 B1 C3 D3 E3
A4 B1 C4 D4 E4
A5 B1 C5 D5 E5
         C6

The short answer is that short of mapping the entire world, it's a little difficult to work out where you are. Instead, try and find Brodgar or Sodom or some other major city who know which grid they are in and work your position out in relation to them.

Is it still possible to attain a mine?

Yes.

(If so, where? [As in how would I relocate myself on that grid ect])

Don't assume every inch of every super-grid has been prospected. Even on the last map, new mines were discovered in places people simply hadn't looked, right next to existing mines (I think warri found a silver mine right next to Brodgar's public mine, in a grid that had been around for a few months). Most of the remaining mines may well be shitty cave mines.

Mining in caves is a *little* easier now that carts can be built inside caves but you walk at crawl speed and often it's quicker to crawl in with a boat containing 2 chests, fill it up with Ore and then port out and repeat. Being able to move at walking speed with a cart inside a cave would be nice.

Relocation is as simple as abandoning every thing you have and simply setting up shop in a new area. You may want to bring a few seeds of each variety with you in order to get your farms started and save time re-scouting Wild Windsown Seeds. Also bringing some tools. Despite a popular misconception, you don't really need to haul all your shit with you. Most of what you have can be very easily replaced by simply scouting your new location for clay, soil, water, grasslands etc...

Given enough time, everything at your old camp will simply decay... or be taken over by some other traveller.

[Pansy]

There is some evidence that one or two new rows of supergrids have been added on the north and the south, but not on the east or west. I don't know if this is true but people I have talked to have have told me the invisible wall to the north and south has disappeared in their area.

If you have the wheelmaking skill to build boats and some chutzpah traveling to the edge of the map is not a huge endeavour. I've done it several times with several characters. I find it is best to travel really light and abandon everything but travel supplies such as the axe and saw you need to replace boats, a sling if you use one, a bandage if you have one and some rations and lots of empty inventory slots for foraging as you go. I might take a wheat seed, a carrot seed and a grape seed, but I would trust to luck to get the other ones. You'll have plenty of chances to pick up www as you go!

You need to be good at getting away from aggressive bears and boars to survive the cross country walks. And if there is high lag conditions this is difficult. You also need to be able to feed yourself comfortably. If you are still having any trouble with living off the land you will find surviving the hunger that results from repeated boar attacks a serious danger.

I have usually managed to find the edge of the world in a single gaming session. However my gaming sessions can be pretty long so this may not mean much.

[Garlicman]

I can confirm the world expansion to the south, and speaking of the seeds - isn't it better to take all kinds of seeds in a seedbag or two, than looking for wwws when you'll need hops, flax and so on?

[Haba]

I've travelled the new grids, and the world looks like this now:

A0 B0 C0 D0 E0
A1 B1 C1 D1 E1
A2 B2 C2 D2 E2
A3 B1 C3 D3 E3
A4 B1 C4 D4 E4
A5 B1 C5 D5 E5
E6 B6 C6 D6 E7

Post a map of your region, and I can try and see if it covers the area that I have mapped of the world (25-30%). The bigger, the better. As for mines... well, on the day that they added the new grids I found 6 mines within an hour. The next day when I travelled the same route, all of the 6 mines were already claimed.

But yes, caves do remain.