Critique. damocles sword

Postby boogis » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:02 am

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Berne is a psychiatrist. accordons to him there are life scripts in people life. there are winners ones non-winners and losers. there are few scripts for losers and he compared then to ancient greek miths. one is about damocles sword. (read a book called Games people play https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Games_People_Play_(book)) its when you enjoy your life but you cant fully enjoy it cos above your head there is always a sword which can hit you at any time. that what game devs are playing to us. we dont know when exactly is a wipe. sometimes its one year sometimes its two years and they only give a notice 2 weeks in advance after years of uncurtanty. . that what make all of us feel like losers according to Berne. we need to know exactly how long this world will live and thats how we will enjoy this game without any fears.
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby boogis » Fri Jan 04, 2019 2:27 am

yes i undrestand that, but from what i know for now is that usually wolrds were for one year and now they are more then two years so than means that players were living more then one year in uncurtanty not knowing if they need to play or not. when you do something and have fear that all your results will be dissapearing at any time that make people to get loosers life scripts that very bad for people mental state espesialy for young people. so devs could have just give us aproximate time - say three years minimum, then fine i will be playing three years without any fear of loosing all my progress. and after three years i can just give up and play once a week or smth. that will work but they cant just not letting people know for year about wipes this is no good
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby Schattengaenger » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:23 pm

boogis wrote:yes i undrestand that, but from what i know for now is that usually wolrds were for one year and now they are more then two years so than means that players were living more then one year in uncurtanty not knowing if they need to play or not. when you do something and have fear that all your results will be dissapearing at any time that make people to get loosers life scripts that very bad for people mental state espesialy for young people. so devs could have just give us aproximate time - say three years minimum, then fine i will be playing three years without any fear of loosing all my progress. and after three years i can just give up and play once a week or smth. that will work but they cant just not letting people know for year about wipes this is no good


Is it just me or didn't you understand the devs at all? They are never planning to do a wipe. They only ever wipe if an update demands them to. Ultimatly they want a world to run forever, but Granger's problem persists in such a world where people powerhouse to infinity because nothing is holding them back and you can never catch up from your own power. Maybe a system of caps (not only one) would solve this where it gets gradualy harder to hit it and after a random amount of time the caps are increased beginning the progress to it anew without wiping everyone's achivments. Players who only begin would be able to got pretty quick to say 3/5 the way to cap and struggel just like everyone else to hit the cap.


I wonder if anyone sees a problem with that idea.
I'm very much open to opinions since I was also strongly against a cap even though I never had or will have a character competing with the top fighters.
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby Granger » Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:34 pm

Schattengaenger wrote:... Granger's problem persists in such a world ...

Honestly, I would be quite happy would this just be my problem.
But that, as this topic clearly proves, sadly isn't the case...
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby Lyrroth » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:03 pm

Granger wrote:
Schattengaenger wrote:... Granger's problem persists in such a world ...

Honestly, I would be quite happy would this just be my problem.
But that, as this topic clearly proves, sadly isn't the case...


yes lets focus on catch up mechanic or useless decay when felix, ozzy, trollex, waga and few other people proved you can catch up with enough strong will and some goal to go towards the top ... all you needed is enemies and project like CF to make it work
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby pheonix » Fri Jan 04, 2019 7:15 pm

Schattengaenger wrote:
boogis wrote:yes i undrestand that, but from what i know for now is that usually wolrds were for one year and now they are more then two years so than means that players were living more then one year in uncurtanty not knowing if they need to play or not. when you do something and have fear that all your results will be dissapearing at any time that make people to get loosers life scripts that very bad for people mental state espesialy for young people. so devs could have just give us aproximate time - say three years minimum, then fine i will be playing three years without any fear of loosing all my progress. and after three years i can just give up and play once a week or smth. that will work but they cant just not letting people know for year about wipes this is no good


Is it just me or didn't you understand the devs at all? They are never planning to do a wipe. They only ever wipe if an update demands them to. Ultimatly they want a world to run forever, but Granger's problem persists in such a world where people powerhouse to infinity because nothing is holding them back and you can never catch up from your own power. Maybe a system of caps (not only one) would solve this where it gets gradualy harder to hit it and after a random amount of time the caps are increased beginning the progress to it anew without wiping everyone's achivments. Players who only begin would be able to got pretty quick to say 3/5 the way to cap and struggel just like everyone else to hit the cap.


I wonder if anyone sees a problem with that idea.
I'm very much open to opinions since I was also strongly against a cap even though I never had or will have a character competing with the top fighters.


i and MANY players all say that caps are a terrible thing that makes the game boring, we saw this in world 9 with a 300 cap 330 with sub and verify and it made alot of people hit cap of q and stats and either quit or spam alts non stop then sell accounts. the idea of a ceiling to effort is never appealing, but the solution isnt caps and anyone who plays now knows this hence why we ignore anyone who says caps are good, because you can see the problem atm which is stat growth. The current fep system is broken. I shouldn't be able to eat 1 food that gives 200 stats and multiply it to some god forsaken number. i have cheese atm that can give 10k feps with pepper and truffles and then multiply by table and hunger and it can give insane amounts.

In order to make the early game last longer so the world feels fresher for longer we need a complete rework of the fep system making foods more important as we have alot of recipes that look fun but no need as we have our 6 staple foods. We could also do with hardcore zones in the game with much higher q available but more perilous kinda like the darkness in salem which tbh i loved because you had the drain from the darkness on your hp but then you had monsters that will kill you like evil trees/serpents/hydroturkey/wishpoosh/agropelterfuckers and before i quit i heard of dakkan bears. basically zones which would make factions spend more time in and tbh die in alot.

Also we need a siege system that isnt force fields as one thing that keeps factions from spiraling out q is the fact we have these fortresses of sticks that require a week plus to get in and even once you get in they can move everything. Though this part suggests maybe making q increase of fields and metal be tied more to structures to resolve this.
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:59 pm

boogis wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Berne is a psychiatrist. accordons to him there are life scripts in people life.[…]


I must apologies. I merged this post here due to the nature of the discussion from C&I. I forgot to say anything at the time. I'm probably overreacting on the moderation front here, but given all the discussion on the matter recently, I thought it better to keep it to one place.
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby jorb » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:07 am

MagicManICT wrote:
boogis wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Berne is a psychiatrist. accordons to him there are life scripts in people life.[…]


I must apologies. I merged this post here due to the nature of the discussion from C&I. I forgot to say anything at the time. I'm probably overreacting on the moderation front here, but given all the discussion on the matter recently, I thought it better to keep it to one place.


Good merge.
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby Starval » Sat Jan 05, 2019 1:55 pm

Hi, when will be world reset? Realy need it
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Re: The only world reset/wipe requests/discussion topic

Postby HappyBuffalo » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:19 pm

Starval wrote:Hi, when will be world reset? Realy need it


There is a slight chance wipe will be announced on 8th of January.
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