Austinh15 wrote:Robben_DuMarsch wrote:That's fair. However he joined WB and left your group well before the Misa-doxxing.
You've got all these wholesome guys, and asked them to join Snail's really toxic crusade... And to rub elbows with those people. What did you expect? I guess you're closer to them than you want to admit, as evidenced by your cute little Robben fart sniffing video.
That one was pretty good huh. I only asked those who wanted to fight, to fight. Those who didn't want to participate could stay home and keep doing what they were doing. Remember Misa attacked us first. I had my reasons to join the fight. I also don't hide who my friends are. I am specifically friends with my good man Clemins, Zadek, and of course our token brother Garen. But my reason for joining and the spite I hold for Whatever Bay came from specifically Misa. The new spite is the word twisting I first saw when I was open about the siege. Which BY THE WAY was probably some of the most fun I've had in this game, and though it produced sleepless nights, drunkenly driving a shit ton of leather, rope, and brimstone across two oceans and getting my ass absolutely dunked by Billy because I saw him in the fight and immediately went after him was the highlight of this world. Defending those catapults was S-Tier fun.
It's not everyone's cup of tea. I don't ask those who don't want to participate to participate. I just ask them to give me the same respect.
I mean, I understand this line of reasoning and find it reasonable.
But I think it could be reframed as a US Citizen going to France, doing something wrong in France, so the French government launches nukes at NY.
That's obviously hyperbolic, but I literally *can't* be the world police. I would love it if we, as a community, agreed to stop ganking newbs and making sport out of taking their nettles.
But as
Bob Dole said, we don't have a rule where we stop that everywhere. We try to carve out a safe place for new players, where they can learn and enjoy the game and LARP and have wholesome fun. That is *so fucking difficult* in this game, the only way I could appeal to PvPers like Noinek is by allowing ganking elsewhere. If we didn't do that, it'd be Me, Bob, Earthinfusion, and.... maybe like a tiny handful of others even willing to fight. These guys are like rare gems.
Against that we've got to contend against neet autists like Snail and his 4channers who would love nothing less than to tear down anything and everything that isn't in their circle jerk club.

Just like the US/UK/France/Canada/Etc allied with Russia in WW2 to take down the Axis, I'd gladly work with people I don't agree with who are willing to work towards that end as well.