Bots, lets talk about them.

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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby Ethan » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:25 am

dageir wrote:
Ethan wrote:I just don't buy the argument that botting is cheating. I don't think you can objectively define the rules of this game, let alone define what is cheating.


It's cheating because if its allowed to continue the game will die.


I think we can class a lot of the game mechanics as cheating under than rule :lol:
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby LadyV » Sat Jan 30, 2016 10:37 am

Ethan wrote:
In the constraints of this game, I don't think botting can really be called cheating. especially as it is not forbidden. Who decides what behavior is within the rules and what is considered cheating?



jorb wrote:Nope. It's just that we don't see that there is much we can do about it. It is certainly not "approved".



If it is not approved it is by default cheating.
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby Ethan » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:15 am

LadyV wrote:
Ethan wrote:
In the constraints of this game, I don't think botting can really be called cheating. especially as it is not forbidden. Who decides what behavior is within the rules and what is considered cheating?



jorb wrote:Nope. It's just that we don't see that there is much we can do about it. It is certainly not "approved".



If it is not approved it is by default cheating.



By that stroke custom client features such as night vision, showing movement vectors, and etc are also cheating.
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby dageir » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:29 am

Ethan wrote:
LadyV wrote:
Ethan wrote:
In the constraints of this game, I don't think botting can really be called cheating. especially as it is not forbidden. Who decides what behavior is within the rules and what is considered cheating?



jorb wrote:Nope. It's just that we don't see that there is much we can do about it. It is certainly not "approved".



If it is not approved it is by default cheating.



By that stroke custom client features such as night vision, showing movement vectors, and etc are also cheating.


You are right.
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby Ethan » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:32 am

dageir wrote:
Ethan wrote:
By that stroke custom client features such as night vision, showing movement vectors, and etc are also cheating.


You are right.


Should we not also punish people who use those then? I have seen plenty of self posted screen shots of people using those features so should be easy to dish out some justice.
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby dageir » Sat Jan 30, 2016 11:45 am

I hope the devs will sort out that in time.
That being said botting represent a bigger problem since bots are more restricted than lets say clients who are open to all.
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby LadyV » Sat Jan 30, 2016 12:06 pm

Ethan wrote:
By that stroke custom client features such as night vision, showing movement vectors, and etc are also cheating.


A custom client its self is not cheating. Accessing game resources that is not listed in the free source code is.

http://www.havenandhearth.com/portal/doc-src
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby APXEOLOG » Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:45 pm

LadyV wrote:A custom client its self is not cheating. Accessing game resources that is not listed in the free source code is.

But those features are cheating
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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

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Re: Bots, lets talk about them.

Postby LadyV » Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:31 pm

APXEOLOG wrote:
LadyV wrote:A custom client its self is not cheating. Accessing game resources that is not listed in the free source code is.

But those features are cheating



I'm not disagreeing. :?:
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