strpk0 wrote:Jesus_Smith_Nandez wrote:"Character development rate" =/= "convenience"
If you get more out of something through doing the same amount of work just because you spent money that is the definition of p2w
Yes, but as a player I don't feel like I MUST pay in order to stand a chance against everyone else that is "p2w", or at the very least to have my fun with the game. The way I see it, if you really MUST be on the same level as everyone that pays for a subscription for some reason, then either put in more work or simply pay for the damn thing (which I'm pretty sure is what the devs had in mind when they changed the payment model to begin with).
Also, the current payment model means spending thousands of dollars won't get you any further than someone that spends the bare minimum on the subscriptions, unlike many actual p2w games.
I'm not saying the current payment model is perfect, I know it is not (and what you mentioned is possibly one of the reasons why). But it is a damn heck of a lot better than what was in place when the new version of haven launched. I also understand that it is normal (and honestly only logical) for developers to want something in return for their work (whether the work in question is a game or anything else), which is why I'm ok with the current model. I'm all for people coming up with better payment models that favor both the devs and the players (and let's face it, hat simulator isn't going to cut it, hence why the current subscription benefits exist), but I'm not going to show support for people that simply want to troll and cry because their game isn't 100% free and just assume the devs are greedy asshats because they themselves don't know what it takes to develop a game like this.
I stand by this post. I am very anti p2w but the fact is it doesn't prevent me from wanting to play, at least with haven. If it become any more p2w than the current system I'd probably quit. I'm against it in general but until they come up with something better this is definitely a better system than they originally had with Hafen.
Honestly if I were in charge I would think about putting all the money into a MASSIVE advertising campaign and making the game pay 2 play with everyone on a level playing field. One straight-forward subscription type, no confusing BS, no p2w. If people don't want to pay then fuck em, find new customers who are actually willing to pay. There is no reason you should feel guilty charging money for a game. If it's not worth the money to somebody then they don't get to play. It's that simple. I think charging money shows that you are serious about the future of the game and willing to take risks in order to escape the stagnate development cycle that the game is currently stuck in. I don't see this game ever becoming "successful" without taking a risk at some point. It will never gain the momentum it needs with the way things are. And we will never know how many people are actually willing to pay until they are forced to under a reasonable system.
Not that I know anything about running this company. I just think if the game is ever going to become huge it will need to make a leap at some point and it will inevitably disappoint some people. It seems like a lot of directions are being taken by people who would never shell out the money to play. The fear of disappointing them seems to be biggest limiting factor to development. There are plenty of people who love this game enough to pay, and plenty of people who would pay if they simply knew about the game. So instead of catering to regulars who only criticize things and never support the devs, and having the p2w players pick up the tab, why not take the next big step? Take a leap of faith? I mean one of the main issues with the previous pay2play was that it was dropped on everyone with no warning and it was confusing and not well thought out to begin with. I think people would not object so much if it was just a straightforward subscription, no confusing BS, no different subscription levels, no teasing people with useless "free accounts", and a proper warning as not to get everyone's hopes up for a new world.