Siege Fix (real)

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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby Hesufo » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:34 pm

MightySheep wrote: If you disagree then point out the successful sieges in the past few worlds.


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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby MightySheep » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:45 pm

Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:This will never get fixed.
Like so many of H&H's longest lasting problems, this is a balancing act which can't be resolved without tipping the scales in certain players favours whilst fucking over others. It's not possible to make a sieging system that everyone is going to be happy with.

Wanna know why sieging will never work? Wanna know why it's been the way it has been since... forever basically? Because any change they think of implement has them asking one question. The same question. "But what about the hermits?" If villages become easy enough to siege that those people stop complaining about sieging and instead are out doing it because it's not an issue anymore, then it's going to be trivial to siege hermits and villages with less people in them. So trivial that they'll actually bother to do it this time.

I usually have a based idea to fix most things, but this is one thing I have no answer for. The only way to change it is to sacrifice hermits and smaller villages. Ain't no way around it.

Think about it logically. Either it's easier to siege and everybody besides the big villages are fucked or it's harder to siege and we have this shit we have now. That's all there is to it. Choose a side, you can't have both.

I realize youre an NPC thats not really capable of thinking so you write up the generic anti siege message weve seen 1000 times but ... wtf does any of this have to do with this thread?

Do you think anyones worried about hermits spamming walls and cornerposts?

Guess what, hermits are already quite easy to siege with the current system but nobody is doing it because no1 gives a fuck about raiding hermits.

It turns out people actually arent that bothered about camping siege weapons for 24h and spending hardened leather etc to raid a little hermit. Its a matter of a simple cost-benefit analysis. There's plenty of ways of implementing siege where the cost vs benefit excludes hermits. Which is what we have already but ideally you want a system where with an overwhelming force and a lot of effort you can raid big villages too. Which we dont have because of dumb mechanics like what this thread is about.

When I started you could hand bash palisades and that was just the norm. People didnt cry like little bitches over every little thing like they do these days.
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby Nocturnal-Rainbows » Tue Oct 22, 2024 3:55 pm

MightySheep wrote:Guess what, hermits are already quite easy to siege with the current system but nobody is doing it because no1 gives a fuck about raiding hermits.

MightySheep wrote:It turns out people actually arent that bothered about camping siege weapons for 24h and spending hardened leather etc to raid a little hermit. Its a matter of a simple cost-benefit analysis.

MightySheep wrote:There's plenty of ways of implementing siege where the cost vs benefit excludes hermits. Which is what we have already

Lol
Lmao

You have quite literally just parroted back what I already stated is the case and yet somehow claimed I was wrong.
Must be exhausting trying this hard to not be retarded.
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby overtyped » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:27 pm

ZamAlex wrote:
noindyfikator wrote:-1, world didn't even start and you already ran out of siege materials

Doesn't count as opnion, coz recruiting 300 people to build a wall 5 minimaps thick isn't real gameplay.

Bob Dole really did built those alone. Bob dole is offended that you try to take away his achievements. -1
Early world exploit: Put your hearthfire inside a cave, then hold shift to position a claim right in front of a cave. After 8 hours the claim will be unbreakable. Since your hearthfire is inside the cave, you can still get back inside, and leave, but nobody will be able to enter, effectively making you unraidable for the first 3-7 days. Enjoy
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby MightySheep » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:37 pm

Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:Lol
Lmao

You have quite literally just parroted back what I already stated is the case and yet somehow claimed I was wrong.
Must be exhausting trying this hard to not be retarded.

What does objects not gaining soak until after thingpeace is restored have to do with raiding hermits? How does it change the dynamics of raiding hermits at all? People like you are the reason jorb doesnt even bother reading these forums. You cant have a normal discussion about anything without dozens of no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays with zero understanding of the game.
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby grumgrumganoe » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:39 pm

MightySheep wrote:
Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:Lol
Lmao

You have quite literally just parroted back what I already stated is the case and yet somehow claimed I was wrong.
Must be exhausting trying this hard to not be retarded.

What does objects not gaining soak until after thingpeace is restored have to do with raiding hermits? How does it change the dynamics of raiding hermits at all? People like you are the reason jorb doesnt even bother reading these forums. You cant have a normal discussion about anything without dozens of no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays with zero understanding of the game.

+1 based

the “cacophony of voices” is 50% humans having a reasonable and articulate convo and 50% hermit retards babbling about shit straight from their imaginations
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby Nocturnal-Rainbows » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:45 pm

MightySheep wrote:What does objects not gaining soak until after thingpeace is restored have to do with raiding hermits? How does it change the dynamics of raiding hermits at all? People like you are the reason jorb doesnt even bother reading these forums. You cant have a normal discussion about anything without dozens of no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays with zero understanding of the game.

Funny how you've started spamming NPC right after I said it earlier on. Now that's true NPC behavior.
>no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays
You mean know nothing. What was you saying about unintelligible? Not only can you not string a sentence together without fucking up, but you also apparently lack the comprehension to even understand my post hence why you're bringing up random shit that I didn't mention.

Sit in silence before you embarrass yourself further, retard. I implore you.

grumgrumganoe wrote:+1 based

Is that your role on the forum, just yesmanning each other like mindless brainlets? Pretty pathetic ngl.
No wonder I rattle you guys on your own discord lmfaoooo

Tongue his anus harder bro, I'm sure you'll get plenty of praise for being a good dog.
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby DonVelD » Tue Oct 22, 2024 5:52 pm

Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:
MightySheep wrote:What does objects not gaining soak until after thingpeace is restored have to do with raiding hermits? How does it change the dynamics of raiding hermits at all? People like you are the reason jorb doesnt even bother reading these forums. You cant have a normal discussion about anything without dozens of no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays with zero understanding of the game.

Funny how you've started spamming NPC right after I said it earlier on. Now that's true NPC behavior.
>no-nothing NPCs typing unintelligible essays
You mean know nothing. What was you saying about unintelligible? Not only can you not string a sentence together without fucking up, but you also apparently lack the comprehension to even understand my post hence why you're bringing up random shit that I didn't mention.

Sit in silence before you embarrass yourself further, retard. I implore you.

grumgrumganoe wrote:+1 based

Is that your role on the forum, just yesmanning each other like mindless brainlets? Pretty pathetic ngl.
No wonder I rattle you guys on your own discord lmfaoooo

Uhm, ackshually it's "you're" not "your" :ugeek:

Do you know how to separate a person from a machine (NPC)? A person makes mistakes.

Everyone should skip this post because its AI written by a NPC.
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Re: Siege Fix (real)

Postby Okocim » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:03 pm

There seem to be some kind of confusion about the reason for corner post spam, something like that is obviously not going to stop the siege not even buy time, it was just an attempt to try and close the breach. Handbashing the corners is not really an issue, if it were the walls would not be open for over a week.
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Postby grumgrumganoe » Tue Oct 22, 2024 6:20 pm

Nocturnal-Rainbows wrote:.

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