some conspiracy theory

[soapdish]

*cough* Jesus is Jewish

[Jesus_Smith_Nandez]

*cough* Jesus is Jewish

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over that terrible cough. You know, you should probably get that checked out.

[Saxony4]

debunk the aliums
nobody acknowledges it

enjoy your fantasy world

lack of scientific knowledge is the cause of these things, including religion

the sumerians had severe heat stroke, the egyptians were indeed intelligent enough to build the pyramids on their own

[MagicManICT]

lack of scientific knowledge is the cause of these things, including religion

and everyone swore up and down that the world was flat, too

the sumerians had severe heat stroke, the egyptians were indeed intelligent enough to build the pyramids on their own

Obviously. There's been too many "failed" attempts at pyramids found in the desert, but what about the sphinx and the supposed age difference?

Philosophical question for you... if there weren't birds in the air, would we have ever even dreamed of learning to fly?

[Kathdys]

Sure! I mean, throwing rocks is like, the first and best technology ever, now if only there was a way to be the rock...

Admittedly, the birds make it look much more majestic and less fatal. So, I guess maybe jumping through the branches of trees, or swimming in the ocean would be more inspiring than rock-throwing.

Also, I'm pretty sure the 'world was flat' thing was greatly exaggerated, since a lot of ancient civilizations were good enough at observation and mathematics to do some amazing things with astronomy, making all kinds of predictions and deductions, including that the world was round.

I mean, they didn't have much to go on, but the people in Athens, in particular, had thousands of years to build up their knowledge just by yammering on in their forums working on fragmentary evidence, and they were idolized by most Western intellectuals at least well into the industrial period.

Aristotelian logic might be a little presumptuous, and spontaneous generation an utter myth (along with all his sexist and racist stuff), but 'the world is flat' just doesn't satisfy anyone who thinks for a living. I mean, they'd go to amazing lengths to contrive that the Earth was the center of the solar system despite this being way more complicated and hard to justify, but trying to explain the Earth flat, even though anyone who lives in a port town can clearly see a ship's sails sink below the horizon as it sails away, and anyone looking at the night sky can see the stars slowly rotate around the Earth's surface, takes a bonus level of crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if people who had no free time to sit and stare at things believed it, though.

Regarding the Aerocar, there were only two ever built, it's very well-documented and both are accounted for, so it seems unlikely that one ever crashed anywhere, for the wreck to be recovered. And it couldn't get more than a few feet off the ground, so it would be pretty impossible as a source of credible UFO sightings. That and it didn't exist until the 1950s, several years after the Roswell incident. It does explain where some military insiders with incomplete information could have gotten incredibly stupid ideas, though--like just its estimated performance statistics. 300 MPH, 10,000 foot ceiling, for a metal disc with a single fan in it and no control surfaces? Ngaaaaa. Nice try at the anti-gravity technology, I'm sure that confused a lot of hopeful technologists.

If it wasn't the first craft of a similar design, there might have been others in the US... though I doubt they'd perform better. They might have made some nice wreckage somewhere. Some people think Nazis built the first flying saucers, but people blame Nazis for everything. To be fair, there aren't many crazy ideas they didn't attempt, it's just that there aren't that many they completed successfully.

Wikipedia tells me that what crashed at Roswell was, in fact, a balloon; it was just a military balloon with radar-catching material, not an ordinary weather balloon. They showed some debris which was things like rubber, wood, foil, paper, and glue which no one would ever build a spaceship out of, or even a high-performance aircraft (after the second world war, anyway. In the 20s, canvas and wood were still cool). Better than a brick rocketship, I guess.

I'm not sure what the motive would be to cover-up some kind of stupid failed saucer design with another cover-up that had its own cover-up that had its own-cover-up unless they were just really, really, really embarrassed about it. It's almost plausible, because a flying saucer that failed more badly than the Aerocar would be that embarrassing. But no, I don't think they're that good at cover-ups. It's just funny to think about (except for the test pilot.)

[Saxony4]

Philosophical question for you... if there weren't birds in the air, would we have ever even dreamed of learning to fly?

Quite possibly no, humans are the monkey see monkey do kind of creature. Homo erectus most likely discovered fire from a natural occurrence such as a brush fire IE. lightning setting fire to shrubbery or very hot temperature combined with dry foliage.
subtle evolution reference


As for the sphinx, it's possible that it pre-dates the pharaohs, the water erosion hypothesis is quite interesting.
Perhaps it was washed with water for some reason for centuries or more likely the climate of the region was more tropical until the Old Kingdom of Egypt period.


The point I wanted to get across was that humans tend to contribute to some sort of mythical reasoning behind things they do not understand.

"The earth was blue, but there was no god".

[Amanda44]

the sumerians had severe heat stroke,

- I'm a huge fan of the Sumerians! -

The point I wanted to get across was that humans tend to contribute to some sort of mythical reasoning behind things they do not understand.

Thankfully not all of them and thanks to those that were able to apply some form of logic rather than fantasy, we all have enough of an understanding of how things work to be able to think for ourselves, how some people choose to use that ability though is a different matter.

These conspiracy type things are fun and fun to think about, we know that we are not privy to all that goes on in the world, ofc, but if you want to go down that road there are a lot more things to wonder and worry about than being infiltrated by aliens, lol, try researching GM crops, 50 year water shortage, human cull, and so on .......

[Saxony4]

Thankfully not all of them and thanks to those that were able to apply some form of logic rather than fantasy, we all have enough of an understanding of how things work to be able to think for ourselves, how some people choose to use that ability though is a different matter.

These conspiracy type things are fun and fun to think about, we know that we are not privy to all that goes on in the world, ofc, but if you want to go down that road there are a lot more things to wonder and worry about than being infiltrated by aliens, lol, try researching GM crops, 50 year water shortage, human cull, and so on .......

Amen to that. As for GMO stuff, my mother refuses to buy anything that GMO and grows her own produce.

We're already feeling the consequences of the 50 year water shortage, countless of lakes on the west coast simply exist as dry wastelands, and it will only continue thanks to human carelessness and waste.

One of the things I'm concerned about is fracking, I can tell you it's not a healthy place to be after reading about the countless pollutants and hazardous waste and people being able to light their tap water on fire, not to mention the idea that it could cause massive earthquakes.

[Amanda44]

One of the things I'm concerned about is fracking, I can tell you it's not a healthy place to be after reading about the countless pollutants and hazardous waste and people being able to light their tap water on fire, not to mention the idea that it could cause massive earthquakes.

Funny you should mention fracking - we had an incident last year when the council announced a planned fracking site in the countryside around where I live, the local residents fought it successfully, mainly because they were lucky enough to have a deep sea diver in their court who had first hand experience of fracking and the dangers it can cause to both humans and the surrounding environment. He wrote a whole report on the failures of fracking and had all the research into the pro's and con's, of which you are correct, the con's far outweigh any amount of benefit from fracking in certain area's. Or even fracking in general, but, it shows just how serious the situation is that fracking has even become such a widespread issue.

[Tonkyhonk]

wait... none of you have ever seen a UFO?