Claim over water does nothing

[loftar]

Obviously I'm aware of that fact, by that logic I should be fine to dig on claimed ground also since I can't lower the soil quality which is also an endless resource?

But digging soil changes the landscape, so that's clearly different.

Any actions on a personal claim that you don't own or have access to should be criminal, the water has nothing to do with it.

This has never been true, though. There are lots of things that you can do on others' claims that don't leave scents. Scents are generally only left for actions which change the state of things under the claim, and even then generally only for state changes that can be considered detrimental to the owner.

[Kaios]

This has never been true, though. There are lots of things that you can do on others' claims that don't leave scents. Scents are generally only left for actions which change the state of things under the claim, and even then generally only for state changes that can be considered detrimental to the owner.

Yeah I know what you mean like lifting objects is no big deal until you actually carry them off of the claim, I see your point. Then like I said make it leave trespass scents so players can at least have a chance at finding out if there's anyone messing with their water.

[Undefined]

Obviously I'm aware of that fact, by that logic I should be fine to dig on claimed ground also since I can't lower the soil quality which is also an endless resource?

But digging soil changes the landscape, so that's clearly different.

I agree there is a difference.
But I disagree with the base ideal that since no landscape change is made it isn't a criminal act.
If I've claimed the land, it's mine. Why should someome be able to come along and use the resource I claim ownership of freely?
I'm happy to conceed that it's not vandalism but surely it's a criminal act, at least trespass though I'd say that doesn't cut it.

I'm not arguing because I've claimed water I want to deny people, I found it didn't leave scents because I swiped someone else's it just opens this issue up for discussion.

Beyond the argument of depletion or modification, control of resource nodes is hugely important strategically and economically, having one type of resource removed from being able to be controlled seems wrong to me.
If I steal any other type of resource from under a claim then the owner is made aware and can exact retribution for my insulance if they are able and so desire. I don't see why the same shouldn't be true for water.
As it stands everyone can have the best water in the world in endless supply for free once it's location is shared. Doesn't that seem wrong?

[Avu]

Trespass scents are enough.

[maze]

Please make the hole lake the same Q as the highest point of the lake.
why would water be higher Q in one spot and not another in a lake of the same water flowing thought it.

but really. most high Q water is from a well guys...to find it in a lake
maybe q 60 or lower

to find high Q water (the one you want to claim) look for water that gets higher in Q the closer to land you get
If the water goes down any bit. then stop looking. think of a node as a ring.

but just saying as i've explored the map and mapped out the Q of water and clay of areas.
the based Q of most lakes is 1 value thats
q30-45 common
q 46-60 Uncommon
q61-70 rare
q71-85 very rare
q86-99 Unheard of

2 values makes it more rare.
all 3 values over q 45. a little more rare.

But most people will want Essence & Substance or Nature & Substance
a q 60/60/10 is worth more then a 50/50/50.

....anyhow wells....

[Archiplex]

I agree with everything maze said except

But most people will want Essence & Substance or Nature & Substance
a q 60/60/10 is worth more then a 50/50/50.

Nope nope, Vitality is insanely important because it's used for dough and impacts dough quality significantly, and higher vit = higher feps.