it is absolutely fucking crazy that vatas wrote this

[sMartins]

Slavery is the basis of capitalism, where you need start-up capital, the easiest way is to get cheap labour, here is the surplus you need to get the machine going.
But if you stay in a closed system at some point the purchasing power equals the wealth produced, the money in circulation, the wealth is always the same, you can't make more than what you put into circulation.
Hence globalisation, new markets from which wealth flows, in the long run the same reasoning applies, wealth is finished.
Capitalism is doomed to fail, in fact it has already failed, we will suffer its tail blows for a few more decades, at the very least.

[DonVelD]

out of all finns vatas seems to be the most okay one, based

[The_Blode]

Slavery is the basis of capitalism, where you need start-up capital, the easiest way is to get cheap labour, here is the surplus you need to get the machine going.
But if you stay in a closed system at some point the purchasing power equals the wealth produced, the money in circulation, the wealth is always the same, you can't make more than what you put into circulation.
Hence globalisation, new markets from which wealth flows, in the long run the same reasoning applies, wealth is finished.
Capitalism is doomed to fail, in fact it has already failed, we will suffer its tail blows for a few more decades, at the very least.

Wait, is there capitalism still happening somewhere that I don't know about?
Because here in north america, capitalism died a messy, violent death the first time a company was bailed out using tax dollars. We've been living in some kind of pseudofascist-corporate dystopia ever since, not "capitalism".

[sMartins]

It is very much alive in us, unfortunately.

Everything is merchandise.

What is land, a commodity or something to be safeguarded?
And water? Air? The trees? The seas?


The scandal in the news, recently here in Italy, is about young youtubers, in their early twenties, who for a challenge (to make views and thus money) rented a lamborghini and sped through the city streets and ended up killing a child.

Whose fault is that?

[The_Blode]

It is very much alive in us, unfortunately.

Everything is merchandise.

What is land, a commodity or something to be safeguarded?
And water? Air? The trees? The seas?

Really? "things are for sale, so it's capitalism" is your assertion? I'm genuinely disappointed in you.

The scandal in the news, recently here in Italy, is about young youtubers, in their early twenties, who for a challenge (to make views and thus money) rented a lamborghini and sped through the city streets and ended up killing a child.

Whose fault is that?

The fault of our world's secondary currency, Attention. Attention seeking is among the top ills society faces currently. The minor amount of resulting ad revenue means nothing to someone willing to put forward the money to rent a luxury vehicle.
The rampant fall of responsibility among mankind plays a part, too.

[sMartins]

It's not just "things are for sale", is that everything is represented as a commodity, with its own price.

There are some things that do not have a price.

And one must always keep in mind that money is only a tool, what instead this model has positioned as an end.

And these, to all of us, seem just rhetorical speeches, because the reality of things penetrate inside us, that's how it works, they say, winking.

[Nightdawg]

out of all finns vatas seems to be the most okay one, based

he do be the only finn I like so far, but the bar's been set very low

[The_Blode]

It's not just "things are for sale", is that everything is represented as a commodity, with its own price.

There are some things that do not have a price.

And one must always keep in mind that money is only a tool, what instead this model has positioned as an end.

And these, to all of us, seem just rhetorical speeches, because the reality of things penetrate inside us, that's how it works, they say, winking.

okay, Plato, but what does that have to do with capitalism?
You are a terribly difficult person to interact with.

[Clemins]

It's not just "things are for sale", is that everything is represented as a commodity, with its own price.

There are some things that do not have a price.

And one must always keep in mind that money is only a tool, what instead this model has positioned as an end.

And these, to all of us, seem just rhetorical speeches, because the reality of things penetrate inside us, that's how it works, they say, winking.

okay, Plato, but what does that have to do with capitalism?
You are a terribly difficult person to interact with.

Don't worry, I got this...AHHEMM


In the vast expanse of existence, why do you engage in this futile endeavor? What purpose does it serve to grace this space with your verbose expressions? Is it not an act driven by an insatiable ego, a desperate need for validation? Despite your feeble attempt to display erudition, it is abundantly clear that you possess the least amount of self-awareness amongst those who partake in this forum.

None among us peruses your words and exclaims, "Ah, behold the profundity of his language! Surely, he possesses great wisdom!" The truth, however, remains apparent to all—anyone can string together words in such a manner; it is merely an arduous and vexing exercise to endure. Cease your pontifications and direct your efforts towards addressing your inner insecurities. Engage in discourse as an ordinary being, for these meanderings of yours find no welcome audience here. Reside within the confines of your philosophical musings on some other obscure corner of the internet, for they hold no relevance or significance within this forum.

- Cleminington, S. III. (2023). Haven and Hearth - The 14th Edition.™

[The_Blode]

I have a word for this... what is it, what is it?
Ah, yes.
"Based"