A larger ship and a smaller ship

[Regulus2424]

do you guys think we will get GTA 6 before OCO? what about Winds of Winter?

[KotMroku1]

In light of more and more stuff being added to early game I think at least the smaller ship idea is worth revisiting before OCO (or whatever is holding up the rest of the game). Possibly less of a ship and more a big boat, possibly patterned after Bronze/Early Iron Age Scandinavian ships such as Hjortspring boat for interesting visuals. Since that historical boat is made out of sewn boards rather than carved/nailed, I think it could be like a bigger, unliftable rowboat, still without sails but one that uses finer string/yarn in it's construction in lieu of cloth. Could also use soft metal for... I don't know, decorations, to fit the no metal - hard metal gap. Maybe propelled by a stick like a gondola.

4-6 cargo slots, no loose cargo, slower than rowboat. Maybe two inherent player slots and two that get taken up by cargo, or just all six if having more players on it than Snekkja isn't really a worry.

[Nictos]

The obvious thing to do, first and foremost, is, ofc: the longship.

This would be amazing!!!

[SnuggleSnail]

I rmbr when they added snekkjas as the low tech version of a knarr and it immediately made knarrs dead content in spite of knarrs being more fun to use

could be pretty poggers to get a new more powerful but less fun to use reskin of a thing that already exists, or better yet make it rock paper scissors like the snow vehicles so you can only do stuff without getting hard countered if you have 12 friends online

[Nictos]

I rmbr when they added snekkjas as the low tech version of a knarr and it immediately made knarrs dead content in spite of knarrs being more fun to use

could be pretty poggers to get a new more powerful but less fun to use reskin of a thing that already exists, or better yet make it rock paper scissors like the snow vehicles so you can only do stuff without getting hard countered if you have 12 friends online

That’s a useful constructive take and I agree

[vatas]

Admittedly, ships (and vehicles in general) are a particular pain-point in the "larper-tryhard dichotomy." They were effectively added with 'LARP' in mind. Obviously "tryhards" use them as well (can't hunt whales without a ship, for an example) but if Haven was built/balanced like a proper PvP game, most vehicles would probably not exist. Sledding down a mountain as almost entirely LARP but still has PvP implications. You could argue that one side used terrain for their advantage when they escaped/caught up to the enemy using sleds, but how was the other side supposed to tell that there was such terrain? Default client has no "heightmap" and compared to how IRL you could visually survey your surrounding, Haven restricts your view/render distance.

[KotMroku1]

Just make it impossible to fight from vehicles. Horses were already nuked long ago in a roundabout way with Raw Hide! (which I still don't fully agree from a LARP standpoint, but I understand that it would just devolve into a horse quality chase - an issue for a different time). It doesn't stop the guys sledding down the mountain but at least now they have to get off to actually do damage to you. I suppose blocking people with them would also be an issue but you can't have everything.

b-but animals

Cheesing animals with a boat is already a pain in ass due to recent changes and might as well keep ranged combat possible. It does leave the issue of deep water animals but fighting most of them is already fucking stupid, just let people fight them from shallows and it would change fuck all outside of saving lives of people who don't know better and let their boat get bashed by Orcas.

b-but now I can't bash boats from under unsuspecting sprucecaps with my boat full of alts

Good. Combat within vehicles could maybe still be possible though so just jump in that guys rowboat and kill him or something.

b-but whatever

I thought about this idea for a total of 5 minutes so as far as I'm concerned it's already EXPERIMENTAL WORLD worthy.

[SnuggleSnail3]

ur first two sentences were wrong by such a large degree that not only did I not read the rest of ur post, I will never be able to read one of ur posts without my brain automatically filtering everything out