Ainran still burning - PV clean up crew cleans PV

[Potjeh]

No more than it is a part of real life.

[leah]

No more than it is a part of real life.

So you are saying that a lie/betrayal in a game where deception is a major concept, is as bad as a lie/betrayal in real life that is unrelated to such a game?

Do you honestly believe that?

[Potjeh]

I'm saying that lie/betrayal is a major concept in real life. It's how you advance on the corporate ladder. Doesn't make you any less of a dick, though.

[leah]

I'm saying that lie/betrayal is a major concept in real life. It's how you advance on the corporate ladder. Doesn't make you any less of a dick, though.

The point is that doing so in a game (do note the word "game") where deception is a major aspect, makes you far less of a dick compared to the real life situation you described.

[GrapefruitV]

Again: in which game is "fucking the girlfriend belonging to someone else" a part of the game? Get this through your head: lies & betrayal is a part of the H&H game.

just analogy with real life

why should i get this trough my had, if this isnt true?
if you lied - you lied
no matter was it text, voice or whatever else
lie isnt necessary to win hnh, so lying makes you a nasty little bitch
you should also feel the difference between ambush, trick, lie and betrayal
plus, if we're talking about hnh and not about monopoly, loss of chars and villages here costs a lot lot lot more, than defeat in 80% of other games

[Potjeh]

"Playas" consider getting into women's pants a game, so I guess it's OK for your friend to fuck your GF if he's a playa. And really, if neither of them take the sex seriously, how can you not consider it a game?

[leah]

Again: in which game is "fucking the girlfriend belonging to someone else" a part of the game? Get this through your head: lies & betrayal is a part of the H&H game.

just analogy with real life

why should i get this trough my had, if this isnt true?
if you lied - you lied
no matter was it text, voice or whatever else
lie isnt necessary to win hnh, so lying makes you a nasty little bitch
you should also feel the difference between ambush, trick, lie and betrayal
plus, if we're talking about hnh and not about monopoly, loss of chars and villages here costs a lot lot lot more, than defeat in 80% of other games

Then you must think that "lying" is not a natural part of H&H. But, let me ask you this: where is the rule against lying? In a game where we can raid/kill/destroy the work of other people, why should we draw the line at "lying"? Other Sandbox games, such as EVE, accept lying, betrayal and scams as a natural part of the game.

The loss of character of villages does indeed take more effort to rebuild in this game, but that is a major point why there is "permadeath" in the game to begin with.

[Potjeh]

There's no rule against bugsploitation either, so I guess that's cool too.

[leah]

"Playas" consider getting into women's pants a game, so I guess it's OK for your friend to fuck your GF if he's a playa. And really, if neither of them take the sex seriously, how can you not consider it a game?

Players are not forced to play H&H, they are playing it due to their own choice and will. If the two persons involved in your "Playa" example do not take sex seriously and they are both accepting to join the game, then sure why not. If only one accepts to join the game, then the action is worse compared to the H&H situation.

[leah]

There's no rule against bugsploitation either, so I guess that's cool too.

There is an unofficial rule as against real hearth vaults though? So there is a limit somewhere. However, yes, in a sandbox game where bug-use is allowed, that is cool too.