This was actually our first idea as well, and I think it's great! The only problem is that it isn't exactly trivial to define which side is the "inside" of the gate. I doubt that it can be reasonably done using any "natural" algorithm, at the very least that algorithm would have to be fairly complex. One could of course imagine the player defining an "inside" in one way or another, but I think the key system has several advantages over that. Relative simplicity, for one. Also, it isn't entirely unreasonable for a gate to have a lock of one type or another, regardless of design.Hamel wrote:Frankly, I'd like to see a large gate that didn't have a key, and could only be opened from the inside using a winch.
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jorb
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"The psychological trials of dwellers in the last times will be equal to the physical trials of the martyrs. In order to face these trials we must be living in a different world."
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Potjeh
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Perhaps the winch would be a separately placed object, requiring a resource of it's own? So a player could decide from which side he wants to open the gate. Sure, most of the time you want to keep things out, but sometimes you want to keep some things in *cue cheesy horror flick music*
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TempestReborne
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Would it be possible to maybe make the winch a separate game world object that the player places?jorb wrote:This was actually our first idea as well, and I think it's great! The only problem is that it isn't exactly trivial to define which side is the "inside" of the gate. I doubt that it can be reasonably done using any "natural" algorithm, at the very least that algorithm would have to be fairly complex. One could of course imagine the player defining an "inside" in one way or another, but I think the key system has several advantages over that. Relative simplicity, for one. Also, it isn't entirely unreasonable for a gate to have a lock of one type or another, regardless of design.Hamel wrote:Frankly, I'd like to see a large gate that didn't have a key, and could only be opened from the inside using a winch.
I'm sure it would be a lot of work to write entirely new classes to control that interaction (two objects, one unique link, proximity requirement, and synchronization) but it would mean that you would already have the code written to help with other more complicated or robust interactions like that later on.
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Malicus
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There is also the problem of motivating someone to actually operate the winch for you when you want to enter and leave.
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jorb
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DF style winches that could be arbitrarily connected to a gate would solve the problem, now that I think of it. That would actually be neat.
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Delamore
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With the code in place to connect objects, it would also allow for alot more "logic gate" style interaction between objects.jorb wrote:DF style winches that could be arbitrarily connected to a gate would solve the problem, now that I think of it. That would actually be neat.
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Potjeh
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Hell yeah! That'd be a great use for valuables when you get too rich to spend them - build a mechanical dungeon, stash some steel at the end of it, and let people brave the traps for your amusement.
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sami1337
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Binary counter with gates. That's what you're saying right?Delamore wrote:With the code in place to connect objects, it would also allow for alot more "logic gate" style interaction between objects.jorb wrote:DF style winches that could be arbitrarily connected to a gate would solve the problem, now that I think of it. That would actually be neat.
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You can praise them, disagree with them, quote them, disbelieve them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can't do is ignore them.
And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius.
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TempestReborne
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Now we just need a creature taming skill (based off of Charisma, of course!) to allow you to lead groups of angry bears into your dungeon, to be released should the dungeoneer pull the wrong switch.Potjeh wrote:Hell yeah! That'd be a great use for valuables when you get too rich to spend them - build a mechanical dungeon, stash some steel at the end of it, and let people brave the traps for your amusement.
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tp1212
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And now the scales have tilted again...
I dint even get to enjoy the industry dominance as I got around to actual mining at about the same time as silk got added
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I dint even get to enjoy the industry dominance as I got around to actual mining at about the same time as silk got added