Cosmetics Shop built into client

[Ferinex]

I am certain beyond doubt the numbers between the two possibilities would not support your position.

Not sure I understand what you mean. Which two possibilities? What numbers?

Convenience is a low hanging fruit for sales.

True if we are talking short term sales. Alas, quite a few projects went south just because the focus seems to have shifted to low hanging fruits in sales instead of a proper vision of what actual product should be...

1. exposure and sales from ingame shop vs web shop
2. to which projects are you alasing? virtually every single successful free-to-play game, especially market-leaders and AAA titles, have ingame shops. if you are going to stand apart from the leaders it makes sense to have a very good reason for doing so. An ingame shop is no more creatively compromising than a web shop--monetization is already occuring. someone arguing against it simply because they don't want the shop to be in the face of players (potential customers) makes me question whether they want the shop to be a success or not. ideally the shop should be in front of as many players as possible. J&L are more than capable of balance

Ferinex i guess you're not aware about the rattail of your idea: the end of custom clients ...

no reason for that to be the case. we aren't talking about punching our credit cards into the client. check the thread as we talked about this

edit: also if you don't trust your custom client dev you should stop using it right now. it could already be keylogging you and lots of other nasty things

[Hrenli]

1. exposure and sales from ingame shop vs web shop
2. ... An ingame shop is no more creatively compromising than a web shop ...

If you follow Jorb/Loftar on what they are saying about their view on life, technology, etc it should be quite clear to you that their morality/sales compass is slightly FUBAR from a salesman point of view. There are people who see moral issues with ingame shops in general and with how they are represented/advertised/interfere with the development/gameplay in particular. The fact that a lot of products did manage to be successful with such practices till now doesn't mean it's good. "Standards" in sales are never morally good. Big publishers don't care. Jorbtar did work for an established publisher (which in my eyes is far from being the worse of its kind btw) and found that not to be their cup of tea...

And back to low hanging fruits (ffs I hate to play bullshit bingo even on game forums...). What are you talking about?
* Adding a button to the client which just opens a web shop will not streamline anything, the UI is confusing and complicated enough already without it.
* Putting a big red button on top of the actual game screen "PLZ BUY MOAR NOW" is exactly the stupid thing I was talking about earlier. And in itself it still would not streamline anything if it just opens the web shop.
* Redesigning the interface for an actual shop (just a hint - do we have a preview functionality for any clothes in the game?) is a fruit that is hanging high beyond the view somewhere in the clouds.

[MagicManICT]

If you follow Jorb/Loftar on what they are saying about their view on life, technology, etc it should be quite clear to you that their morality/sales compass is slightly FUBAR from a salesman point of view.

I think they would both like to have this be a completely free game, but you can't fill your bellies on nothing.

[Ferinex]

I have an idea for getting this hooked up even quicker, actually. I'm not sure why this didn't occur to me sooner, but it is pretty trivial to display a web page within a Java application. They could embed the existing store page this way.