Haven 2.0: "Hafen"

[jordancoles]

In Haven, you do not learn. There is no skill or effort. They might as well scrap the combat system and let you click on an enemy to immediately do damage just like in any other generic MMO, and the person who hits harder will win, because that's what we've got here. The person with higher stats will always win no matter what. It's retarded. Haven is a GAME, not real life where "life isn't fair, deal with it". We don't need the shitty aspects of life seeping into our passtime hobby.

Are you even playing the same game?

[Pan_w_okularach]

In Haven, you do not learn. There is no skill or effort. They might as well scrap the combat system and let you click on an enemy to immediately do damage just like in any other generic MMO, and the person who hits harder will win, because that's what we've got here. The person with higher stats will always win no matter what. It's retarded. Haven is a GAME, not real life where "life isn't fair, deal with it". We don't need the shitty aspects of life seeping into our passtime hobby.

I agree we need better combat good players must win players use bots the best if we have combat like League of Legends

[Dzedajus]

the best if we have combat like League of Legends

League of legends player base is mostly 12 year old children and retards and its combat system is just stupid. From what I've seen it just "RUN TOWARDS ENEMY AND HOPEFULLY LAND SOME HIT THEN RUN BACK LIKE A FAGGOT YOU ARE" and accompanied with usual "HERP A DERP GANK SQUAD".

[Kaios]

its combat system is just stupid. From what I've seen it just "RUN TOWARDS ENEMY AND HOPEFULLY LAND SOME HIT THEN RUN BACK LIKE A FAGGOT YOU ARE" and accompanied with usual "HERP A DERP GANK SQUAD".

Sounds rather familiar

[Dzedajus]

Wait a sec, have I just described HnH combat?

[Duderock]

Okay, so from what I can tell. The issue seems to be that the casual players want skill to determine your success, and the hardcore players want the time they invest to be worth something right? We also want the game to be more social too.

I've thought of a suggestion that might remedy these problems which I explained in depth here. And I'm really interested to hear more thoughts on it.

But to put it simply, it replaces time invested as the means of progress, to player knowledge and social interaction instead.

[Anon9k]

we need better combat good players must win players use bots the best if we have combat like League of Legends

I rate this post "KURWA KATYN JE PIERDOLE" out of 10.

[Pan_w_okularach]

Katyn is not a joke man people died u need to apologise

[jordancoles]

In Haven, you do not learn. There is no skill or effort. They might as well scrap the combat system and let you click on an enemy to immediately do damage just like in any other generic MMO, and the person who hits harder will win, because that's what we've got here. The person with higher stats will always win no matter what. It's retarded. Haven is a GAME, not real life where "life isn't fair, deal with it". We don't need the shitty aspects of life seeping into our passtime hobby.

I agree we need better combat good players must win players use bots the best if we have combat like League of Legends

I did not say what you just quoted

[Danno]

a) You want to win in a game where victory and goals are your own creation. I cant set those for you.
b) Someone will always be better than you. Someone will always have more time than. Someone will always have played more than you. Someone will always have more than you.
c) I completely agree with you the game needs a great deal more content. The general system however is not at fault. Yes it does need work but it works.

a) I don't want to "win", I want the gameplay to be fun. You're putting words in my mouth.
b) I acknowledge and accept these facts. What I dislike is that an average player cannot even come remotely close to a hardcore grinder. There is simply no competition because the average player has already lost by default.
c) Adding more content only prolongs the inevitable. We need recyclable content that isn't grinding.

Are you even playing the same game?

Nobody learns how to play this game, they only study the wiki and follow what it says. There is no thought, effort, or challenge involved in playing this game. If you disagree, why not tell me about the things in this game that you think require thought and effort, the things that are challenging? Note that when I say "effort", it has to be something that you can't do while eating, texting, or sleeping.

Wait a sec, have I just described HnH combat?

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