Bottleneck politics

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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby KillerofLawyers » Tue Apr 20, 2010 4:06 am

That's what they want you to think, Mandrake.
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Potjeh » Tue Apr 20, 2010 11:29 am

Jackard wrote:Trumpeting your exploits and lionizing your faction of self-righteous imperialists might delude the common folk, but others are not so easily gulled

So you claim that our attack was completely unprovoked, and if you were in our position you wouldn't do it?
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Jackard » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:49 pm

there was nothing just or righteous about your indiscriminate slaughter and salt the earth tactics, no matter how you try to play it off by demonizing your enemies
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Blxz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:52 pm

Jackard wrote:there was nothing just or righteous about your indiscriminate slaughter and salt the earth tactics, no matter how you try to play it off by demonizing your enemies


They counter attacked and kicked arse. I'd say it will make people think twice before provoking attacks in the future. Best to focus on small minors in the future for raiding maybe.
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Blxz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:53 pm

Blxz wrote:
Jackard wrote:there was nothing just or righteous about your indiscriminate slaughter and salt the earth tactics, no matter how you try to play it off by demonizing your enemies


They counter attacked and kicked arse. I'd say it will make people think twice before provoking attacks in the future. Best to focus on small minors in the future for raiding maybe.


EDIT: Actually, just wondering, what supergrid is Xanadu in?
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Jackard » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:55 pm

Blxz wrote:Best to focus on small minors in the future for raiding maybe.

Which is kind of what the raiders were doing in the first place!
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Blxz » Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:59 pm

Jackard wrote:
Blxz wrote:Best to focus on small minors in the future for raiding maybe.

Which is kind of what the raiders were doing in the first place!


Small minors that are not aligned to major towns with mean powerful people then. I guess I should have clarified. Anyway, there was this thread put up a week ago that all towns in the D4 supergrid were under the protection of bottleneck. Its been clear for a while, they followed through on what they said.

Also, I would guess that the raid and theft of gold and slaughter of their lawspeaker was most likely what caused the 'salt the earth' tactics. Head for an eye i think.
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Avu » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:05 pm

If world 2 taught us anything is that only salt the earth tactics put a stop or reduce criminal activity. Simply killing the criminals usually will just make them come back with an ancestor they wanted in the first place. Taking out their infrastructure and those that support them is the only way to set them back enough so you can do your own thing.
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby Potjeh » Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:38 pm

I never claimed we're some kind of paragons of virtue. We just stated that we claim that grid for ourselves (though we permit people that don't antagonize us to settle there), and I don't see any moralizing there. In conflict we can't afford to be non-pragmatic. The only way to fend off raiders is to make raiding us unprofitable, and to do that we need to inflict maximum possible losses on the enemy. It's kinda like the body count thing in 'Nam, only I hope it'll be more successful since it worked with Chernobyl on the previous map.

Also, you talk a lot for someone that's not saying anything.
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Re: Bottleneck politics

Postby KoE » Tue Apr 20, 2010 3:24 pm

Personally I think Jackard just likes to use the word lionize whether anybody's doing it or not.

Then again it doesn't quite mean what I thought it meant so maybe he's upset that you're all celebrities.

The way I see it this was pretty much a neutral act of 'We're protecting this place -> Oops you pissed us off -> Oops you died. A lot.' Then they explained themselves on the forums. The worst that could happen is things get more interesting, so eh.
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