An almost epic takeover

[burgingham]

Hey Lock,

to answer your questions. If those guys had not have contact with Sodom, bad luck for them I guess. We would have kept the town, finished the brickwall and I would have kicked their asses should they have tried to get it back. You just don't leave an unfinished idol within an unfinished brickwall with a mine next to it. They learned their lesson now and got their town back, they would have learned their lesson the harder way if we had kept the town I guess.

As for the point that I think I become another guy while playing my alt. Well I am not, of course not. I am able though to play another role if I feel like it. I was a killer, raider and a thief back in world two, I am a humble farmer living with a peaceful economic superpower this world. I am also quite bored by my farm. Harvesting the same crops for almost 6 months now, you know. Taking over that mine, being out there in the wild with Klaue again, was the most excitement I have gotten out of this game for weeks now. Before I didn't even bother to log in anymore.

[Gulluoglu]

Again, I'm one of the guys living there.

Basically, we were a bit retarded and tried to build the brick wall around our whole village first rather than building it around the mine itself. After a few hundred bricks into our village brickwall, we wised up and started building it around the mine and we couldn't finish the idol for lack of antlers because we are still too noob to kill them effectively. Apparently this crew showed up when we almost had the mine wall finished and were still waiting on steel to make the gate. So, yes, they showed up at a pretty inopportune time, considering a few hours later and everything important (mine site) would have been locked down.

I don't know anyone from Sodom, except for Hiro who I had met the day before, but fortunately my Ukranian friend and villagemate knew juhubert who was able to sort things out to our benefit considering we were too noob to stop anyone from snatching it. Had things gone the other way and we lost it, we would be calling in on our contacts to try to help anyway or given up if they couldn't help and moved on to try to find a new mine.

I really don't fault them for attempting the takeover; that kind of shit happens all over. Life in the hearth is a bit rough at times, and it is meant to be -- this is part of the reason the game is fun. If anything, the lessons to learn from all this is that time is a resource and if you waste it on attempting too big a project like a village brickwall before a site wall, you're going to end up screwed if you can't finish it fast enough. And the other is obviously that it helps to have a wide pool of friends with few enemies.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Hey Lock,

to answer your questions. If those guys had not have contact with Sodom, bad luck for them I guess. We would have kept the town, finished the brickwall and I would have kicked their asses should they have tried to get it back. You just don't leave an unfinished idol within an unfinished brickwall with a mine next to it. They learned their lesson now and got their town back, they would have learned their lesson the harder way if we had kept the town I guess.

I think that it doesn't matter how stupid those guys are/did some mistake, they've found that mine first. And, like you've said, there was a personal claim. It's their buissness in which order to build stuff around. Even if it leads to the security issue. Bad guys are taking advantage of it. Like you did, the stuff wasn't yours(and you knew it), but you took it. So you're the bad guy for me. It equals to theft/raid/whatever bad behaviour, i guess.

As for the point that I think I become another guy while playing my alt. Well I am not, of course not. I am able though to play another role if I feel like it. I was a killer, raider and a thief back in world two, I am a humble farmer living with a peaceful economic superpower this world. I am also quite bored by my farm. Harvesting the same crops for almost 6 months now, you know. Taking over that mine, being out there in the wild with Klaue again, was the most excitement I have gotten out of this game for weeks now. Before I didn't even bother to log in anymore.

I know what you mean. But, being an ass and taking someone's stuff takes you back to your "world 2 role" and makes you "raider being stopped by the police in time before someone got hurt".

I'm glad that you've posted this story, though.

[burgingham]

Well ok, seems we don't really disagree over anything, just that I don't feel like a bad guy

This game has the mechanics to take over peoples claims, to hurt them if they don't protect themselves properly. It is an essential part of the gameplay, for some people it makes the game fun which does not mean those guys are assholes irl.
Haven also has come a long way regarding this matter. Back in the days every good char could knock down bricks with his bare hands, making them basically useless. Now brickwalls make you invincible if you just check them once every 24 hours. Therefor I consider it a major mistake of the mine owners not to finish the small section surrounding their mine before going to bed. If you want to keep such a precious thing as a mine you have to work for it. I certainly wouldn't have gone so far as to build a ram should the wall already have been finished, but making it so easy I just could not resist.

Quite interesting that every noob an troll is flaming Sodom and me for this (not you Lock) btw, just the real victims show some humour and understanding for the situation.

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Yes, I do understand those parts about the mechanics and security failures. But I disagree with you on this matter:

This game has the mechanics to take over peoples claims, to hurt them if they don't protect themselves properly. It is an essential part of the gameplay, for some people it makes the game fun which does not mean those guys are assholes irl.

Roleplay is not about being/playing anyone you want (farmer/raider/etc, it still doesn't change you as a person), but it's about game mechanics to help you to feel good while doing some stuff you like. If you like to make others suffer, whatever fools they or not, made they mistakes or not, if you're making them suffer and you like the feeling.. well, you know my answer.

Added:
The world is not cruel/ruff. H&H world isn't cruel/ruff too. But some people are. And some people are not. That's the point.

PS: I'm not lecturing you, just telling you how does it look like from the other side of the screen.

[johnsmith]

See, I wasn't trolling burg. It was a valid issue that you brought up, placed on the forums which solicited inquiries, statements, and accusations. The story was nice, and well intentioned I am sure, but did appear a bit suspicious in nature is all.

Please don't ban me for saying these things, this also is part of the game.

For datoneguy:

You say you were in my village, I asked you what was at my idol, you say nothing, then you say you will come back into my village and tell me, you still haven't. Please if you want some drama PM me first so we can do it right. If your intention was to make me concerned ... it does not. Other people however will see that you are all hot air though.....is that your intention? come on buddy do it right, in fact lets start a datoneguy vs johnsmith thread and move it out if here so we really don't hijack this thread, I think it would be very entertaining

[DatOneGuy]

For datoneguy:

You say you were in my village, I asked you what was at my idol, you say nothing, then you say you will come back into my village and tell me, you still haven't. Please if you want some drama PM me first so we can do it right. If your intention was to make me concerned ... it does not. Other people however will see that you are all hot air though.....is that your intention? come on buddy do it right, in fact lets start a datoneguy vs johnsmith thread and move it out if here so we really don't hijack this thread, I think it would be very entertaining

Yeah you're right I haven't gone back. Been busy tracking Falacrine's scents, I can come back when I'm done, I'll pm you at said time and we can meet, it'll be funsies

[Dusk]

I was a killer, raider and a thief back in world two, I am a humble farmer living with a peaceful economic superpower this world

You stole a mine (and gave it back), you are clearly not just a humble farmer. This is the definition of hypocrisy, when you say one thing, and do another.

Now don't get me wrong, these fellows made a major mistake while setting up this mine. If they lost it I wouldn't care. But when a member of Sodom attempts to take over a mine it's going to raise some eyebrows. Or make people crap their pants in fear.

[Emina]

its hard to kick old habbits i see, it is actually not a surprise, it was quite expected, history repeat itself. Its all well until the booredom strikes in and your true game nature kicks in. It might strike some people as odd that someone can actually get away with something like this, but the fact is, you only get away with it becouse its you. You are a well known caracter and an original in this community and you are liked by many of us despite of some questionable things you do ingame. i belive you are a very nice and likable person irl, it is hard not to like you in fact. But ingame your true nature has with no doubth another path as the evidence of history and the unevidable lust to fall back in it, for the kicks that only the dark gives you, easily proves.

Having the cake and eat it too? the possibility of living dubble life and truly beeing able to seperate them two completly for any leangh of time, is highly doubthful. It is a task that most likley will prove to be impossible even for you in the end. It shall be interesting to see what the future holds.


Anyway, thank you for your story, it was highly amusing and made me laugh out loud tbh

[Sarchi]

The problem with trying to play opposite roles with different characters is that you can use information about someone (that you learned on your 'good' character) in order to harm someone with your 'bad' character. Because of this, it can easily become one in the same as if you had harmed the person on your good character.

I know this isn't what happened (you didn't realize that they had a good trading relationship with Sodom), but this is an inherent problem with opposite roleplaying. It's so easy to abuse it.

I can understand the excitement from roleplaying, though. As long as you do michievious acts against people you have never heard of, then all is fair enough.