The Xymop Question

[hasaosan]

heh sorry they dont need a scrub to be mediator for them

and i don't need a troll to bother me >.>

[crevank]

Truth, you have failed.

You may be telling the truth, but the fact is, you have absolutely no proof. The Russians on the otherhand, have a little bit of proof supporting their claims. It doesn't matter how little they have, the weight of a feather can tip the scales if there is nothing on the other side.

Give up, you're too new to have had anything worth dealing with, restart, its easy. Move away if you feel threatened, or try to make better ties with them. Hey, they might have good shit to trade. Stuff I'm sure you never had.

P.S. The, "If you lie awake for no reason you will die" statement. I'm pretty sure he meant, "If you sit there afked like a dumbass for too long, someone might just come by and sling rocks at your face." Which is true, no matter where you are.

[Truth0]

Threats and verbal aspects of communications differ from language to language, from culture to culture, shall you take that into account for your future mischievous adventures, you might actually adapt and not overreact, as that makes no solid ground for defense as you require in such situation to prove your right and their wrong.

Incorrect again. I answered them in as objective and neutral stance as possible. I must say once again that he indeed resides near us but does not partake in our communal house, farm, items, or implements. However I would still consider him an in-game friend. I do not take responsibility for his actions as I am not his leader, boss, etc. I have been slandered more than once and I do not have the burden of proof as I did not start the accusations on this forum. A certain neighbor of mine did in-game.

Reread my most recent post, or just the summary as it is in direct response to whatshisface's summary. My "mischievous adventures" were nothing out of the ordinary than any other player of this game. I left no scents besides perhaps a few trespasses that did not even require the trespassing skill. Again, as an outsider to the event, you have full ignorance.

You may be telling the truth, but the fact is, you have absolutely no proof. The Russians on the otherhand, have a little bit of proof supporting their claims. It doesn't matter how little they have, the weight of a feather can tip the scales if there is nothing on the other side.

Give up, you're too new to have had anything worth dealing with, restart, its easy. Move away if you feel threatened, or try to make better ties with them. Hey, they might have good shit to trade. Stuff I'm sure you never had.

Sorry I never bothered to screenshot the runestones a week ago, nor screenshot the conversation we had. Obviously I need to chronicle every last thing I do in this game.... Their screenshots are poor as they prove nothing. The little they tried to prove with them work to you, the outsider, but the timestamps that are non-existent on them would otherwise make them worthless.

You also underestimate the items we have found in our travels, and I never claimed ever (liked I've already stated multiple times... *sigh*) that I was going to start some personal or otherwise crusade against them, nor ragequit. I traded with them the same day this occurred. The next day all of our items were gone, including what we traded. The only thing that they can make that I don't have is metal objects, of which a few I have.

Coincidentally most and some of the strongest arguments on this thread are coming from people not even apart of Xymop. Go figure.

[crevank]

You may be telling the truth, but the fact is, you have absolutely no proof. The Russians on the otherhand, have a little bit of proof supporting their claims. It doesn't matter how little they have, the weight of a feather can tip the scales if there is nothing on the other side.

Give up, you're too new to have had anything worth dealing with, restart, its easy. Move away if you feel threatened, or try to make better ties with them. Hey, they might have good shit to trade. Stuff I'm sure you never had.

Sorry I never bothered to screenshot the runestones a week ago, nor screenshot the conversation we had. Obviously I need to chronicle every last thing I do in this game.... Their screenshots are poor as they prove nothing. The little they tried to prove with them work to you, the outsider, but the timestamps that are non-existent on them would otherwise make them worthless.

You also underestimate the items we have found in our travels, and I never claimed ever (liked I've already stated multiple times... *sigh*) that I was going to start some personal or otherwise crusade against them, nor ragequit. I traded with them the same day this occurred. The next day all of our items were gone, including what we traded. The only thing that they can make that I don't have is metal objects, of which a few I have.

Coincidentally most and some of the strongest arguments on this thread are coming from people not even apart of Xymop. Go figure.

But isn't a Jury an outside source?

When you come here with complaints expect to be looked at as if you were in court. In this court, you lost. The little bit of evidence they had overwhelms the awesome tributes of the absolute none you supplied.

[Truth0]

But isn't a Jury an outside source?

When you come here with complaints expect to be looked at as if you were in court. In this court, you lost. The little bit of evidence they had overwhelms the awesome tributes of the absolute none you supplied.[/quote]

Yes, it is. I did not come here complaining, however. I came here asking about Xymop. I made the thread, as I stated somewhere above, before they threatened us and then destroyed our property.

Also, that is flawed logic. False evidence is worth more than no evidence? I hope you're never on a jury.

But more importantly, I like turtles.

[crevank]

False evidence isn't false unless you have "Not False" evidence to prove said false evidence to be actually false. Savvy?

And if its not proven to be false, then its seen as true. Once again, you may be telling the truth, but without any evidence, we can't say that you are.

Jury doesn't go on their "feelings" or "heart", juries decide on whats true by knowing nothing, then going around and being persuaded by evidence. Whether that evidence is doctored and false doesn't matter. If it looks true, how do we say its not? The only thing thats going against the russians proof is your word, which can easily be changed, you can lie and exaggerate.

Its not the fact of the matter that you're telling the truth, its that you have to prove you're telling the truth. Thats how a court works. The russians were "innocent until proven guilty" you didn't succeed in proving them guilty at all, all you did was blurt out assumptions and things you say happened without any proof of the matter that they actually happened.

[CodenameB]

Looks like I missed out on all the fun in this thread, but anyway attached is an image of nearby villages that have Xymop banners inside of them. For the most part it seems Xymop just plops down banners but doesn't really take anything, since most of the ruins were still full of chests, unharvested hemp, and other things. Someone in the thread mentioned that they took over the ruins near Anorexina, so there are almost certainly more places Xymop took over, these are only the ones that I've been to personally.

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4114/66825929.png
Pictured: 5 of the alleged 6-10 villages Xymop took over. Former Deephold is labeled already, the city on the far right was called Hobotown; these are the only names I've figured out.

[Crador]

Truth0 tries to mislead simple facts with walls of text? Ignoring those simple facts stated? That's how reasonable people behave? For me, that's how troll behave.

There is a guy was killed. For stealing. A fact.
His neighbours was warned not to steal or grief Xymop territory. A fact.

Everything else just made up to bring in some drama to Truth0's words.
It started with "My friend was killed" and finished with "We don't even know this thief". Both does't matter, thief was killed, you was warned. Simple and straight.
Then it came to "runestones" with cursning and etc. Bullshit. Anyone can fill huge territory with any runestones he wish. Without any tracks. Which turns those runestones absolutely senseless in meaning of actually saying anything. I believe, Xymop just don't care. I woudl't care neither.
Then it came to "they destroyed our claim and our stuff". Bullshit. Owner of personal claim have removed it manually. Which makes me believe that he removed stuff too. Or your moved/removed it. Or some passing by nub stole things without claim protection. All mentioned above seems more likely, then some oldgamers stealing some "lowQ easy to make stuff". It's a time waste for Xymop or any other player more then one month in game.

And you'v got your answers on first page of this thread, but you have't stopped, which means you was't asking a question, really. You was accusing Xymop. And after that you require people to believe on your words? Quite strange, i might say.

Conversation becomes boring, 'cuz nothing new appears. Old words are repeated again and again.

Truth0, i seriously and honestly wish you luck in game. And i am really glad you'v met Xymop in such situation, because that was "easy" going. Some other serious village (SODOM, AD, etc,etc, nameit) would just wipe out whole group even if you have't actually knew that thief. Be ready for such consequences next time "a guy you don't know lives near" will steal.

[Truth0]

Its not the fact of the matter that you're telling the truth, its that you have to prove you're telling the truth. Thats how a court works. The russians were "innocent until proven guilty" you didn't succeed in proving them guilty at all, all you did was blurt out assumptions and things you say happened without any proof of the matter that they actually happened.

I have no way of proving I am telling the truth as I've already said I did not create this thread in order to call out the Russians as the Russian arrival incident did not happen until after I had made the thread (although quite possibly after they had murdered our acquaintance). You can take my word that the Russians destroyed my property (which they have never denied), and you can take my word that I have seen many villages and settlements with Xymop banners as well as runestones in said locations cursing their attackers and even sometimes Russians in specific. Motive is a big factor in court cases, and I had no motive to make this up, certainly because when I had declared this it was all in-game first where I never expected it to come to the forums because it was between me and Xymop, not us and the rest of H&H. He posted screenshots that made me look bad, so I had to defend with the only thing I could bring up: words. Again, I had not intended to bring this to H&H Supreme Hearth Court, and in fact I never asked it to be that way ever.

Pictured: 5 of the alleged 6-10 villages Xymop took over. Former Deephold is labeled already, the city on the far right was called Hobotown; these are the only names I've figured out.

Add in the one just west of Deephold (a bit north of Anorexina). And then south of Sherwood there is a lake with a V peninsula east of that mountain. Everything around that lake is taken by Xymop discluding the peninsula itself and most of the northern shore east of that small beach on top. There's one maybe two ruined villages around the lake. Good portions of that river system around Xymop also has banner control, but it's only made of settlements. The only village I ever found on said river system relatively near to Xymop had Russian runestones but no Xymop banner. That easily falls within the 6-10 range, and it doesn't include the many one to three home settlements also within Xymop banners.

It's certainly possible they claimed the land after the people had already left, but some runestones seem to state otherwise. Maybe they were built after Xymop had already planted the banners. Maybe the were cursing someone other than Xymop. I can only speculate and no more.

Truth0 tries to mislead simple facts with walls of text? Ignoring those simple facts stated? That's how reasonable people behave? For me, that's how troll behave.

There is a guy was killed. For stealing. A fact.
His neighbours was warned not to steal or grief Xymop territory. A fact.

"Old words are repeated again and again." This is my favorite quote of yours as I think you just copied and pasted one of your other posts to here again.

As for what you said, I need to again respond with things I've already said but you ignore while then coming back on here and continually put words in my mouth....

Our acquaintance and close living person indeed stole and was killed for it. We were warned a day or so later not to steal. Also true. Then I was told I was lying (I had barely even talked to the guy). Then I called them murderers and thieves in-game due to the runestones I had seen and the same person told me he would kill me for my words. I don't have the screenshot because why would I? Why would I screenshot our conversation if it was just between us? In fact, why did he screenshot the conversation? Because he had planned on coming back and killing me (he did come back and even walked into my house while the claim was still up but didn't see me) and/or destroying our property and so he needed justification evidence? I don't know.

I already stated that I talked to the claim owner and he said he took it down. But you're an idiot to think for one second that we destroyed our own property and then spent x hours going around making runestunes at each Xymop claim area to make them look bad.

I have never ignored the facts, but you have completely ignored my side of the story.

Where have I said that I want retribution to rain down upon them? Why are you getting so worked up about something that you have no part in and that you are obviously biased against? Xymop itself hasn't responded in multiple pages (partially because there are too many English words flying around, but also because even if everyone joined my side and said Xymop was in the wrong, absolutely nothing would happen because we're newbies and no one particularly cares besides you ,maybe).

[hasaosan]

Its not the fact of the matter that you're telling the truth, its that you have to prove you're telling the truth. Thats how a court works. The russians were "innocent until proven guilty" you didn't succeed in proving them guilty at all, all you did was blurt out assumptions and things you say happened without any proof of the matter that they actually happened.

I have no way of proving I am telling the truth as I've already said I did not create this thread in order to call out the Russians as the Russian arrival incident did not happen until after I had made the thread (although quite possibly after they had murdered our acquaintance). You can take my word that the Russians destroyed my property (which they have never denied), and you can take my word that I have seen many villages and settlements with Xymop banners as well as runestones in said locations cursing their attackers and even sometimes Russians in specific. Motive is a big factor in court cases, and I had no motive to make this up, certainly because when I had declared this it was all in-game first where I never expected it to come to the forums because it was between me and Xymop, not us and the rest of H&H. He posted screenshots that made me look bad, so I had to defend with the only thing I could bring up: words. Again, I had not intended to bring this to H&H Supreme Hearth Court, and in fact I never asked it to be that way ever.

Pictured: 5 of the alleged 6-10 villages Xymop took over. Former Deephold is labeled already, the city on the far right was called Hobotown; these are the only names I've figured out.

Add in the one just west of Deephold (a bit north of Anorexina). And then south of Sherwood there is a lake with a V peninsula east of that mountain. Everything around that lake is taken by Xymop discluding the peninsula itself and most of the northern shore east of that small beach on top. There's one maybe two ruined villages around the lake. Good portions of that river system around Xymop also has banner control, but it's only made of settlements. The only village I ever found on said river system relatively near to Xymop had Russian runestones but no Xymop banner. That easily falls within the 6-10 range, and it doesn't include the many one to three home settlements also within Xymop banners.

It's certainly possible they claimed the land after the people had already left, but some runestones seem to state otherwise. Maybe they were built after Xymop had already planted the banners. Maybe the were cursing someone other than Xymop. I can only speculate and no more.

Truth0 tries to mislead simple facts with walls of text? Ignoring those simple facts stated? That's how reasonable people behave? For me, that's how troll behave.

There is a guy was killed. For stealing. A fact.
His neighbours was warned not to steal or grief Xymop territory. A fact.

"Old words are repeated again and again." This is my favorite quote of yours as I think you just copied and pasted one of your other posts to here again.

As for what you said, I need to again respond with things I've already said but you ignore while then coming back on here and continually put words in my mouth....

Our acquaintance and close living person indeed stole and was killed for it. We were warned a day or so later not to steal. Also true. Then I was told I was lying (I had barely even talked to the guy). Then I called them murderers and thieves in-game due to the runestones I had seen and the same person told me he would kill me for my words. I don't have the screenshot because why would I? Why would I screenshot our conversation if it was just between us? In fact, why did he screenshot the conversation? Because he had planned on coming back and killing me (he did come back and even walked into my house while the claim was still up but didn't see me) and/or destroying our property and so he needed justification evidence? I don't know.

I already stated that I talked to the claim owner and he said he took it down. But you're an idiot to think for one second that we destroyed our own property and then spent x hours going around making runestunes at each Xymop claim area to make them look bad.

I have never ignored the facts, but you have completely ignored my side of the story.

Where have I said that I want retribution to rain down upon them? Why are you getting so worked up about something that you have no part in and that you are obviously biased against? Xymop itself hasn't responded in multiple pages (partially because there are too many English words flying around, but also because even if everyone joined my side and said Xymop was in the wrong, absolutely nothing would happen because we're newbies and no one particularly cares besides you ,maybe).

man just stfu already all u have done is QQ

can xymap plz kill this fool so he will quite