Hiring someone to kill someone else

[Garfy]

Long story short. Got killed by some higher leveled player because he saw we had an iron mine. The iron mine was on a village claim (no authority, badly decayed), but a person in the village said we could have the mine. He gave us keys to the gates, and said everyone in it was either dead or no longer playing.
So we destroyed the village claim.

Few days later. This person came along and claimed the iron mine was his, but was unable to show any proof at all. He has no hearth fire in or near the mine, no keys to any of the gates around it, and didn't even know the name of the village claim it was on (was Kyffhauser, a German name, he claimed it was "long russian name").
He is still unable to get into the mine because the person with the key is not logged in and I don't think he can destroy the gates without a ram, which will take time to build.
It is clear he is not the owner of the mine, and is trying to take it by force.

This person is currently going around, killing anyone he sees, destroying anything he can, and looting what he can from the looks of it.

I have no idea where abouts the settlement is relative to anything else on the map (other than several hours north of constantinople). But you can use the hearth secret gbold to see try and see where it is on the map.
Tracking him should not be too hard. There is murder scents everywhere.

If you kill him and show proof, you can have the iron mine.
It's no good to us, we cannot defend against this guy since we're all relatively new players (most less than 1 week). But at least he is not getting the iron mine.

As for the guy himself, he is walking around with a merchants robe on, dragons helmet and what looks like mostly steel equipment.
I don't suspect he is overly strong. I had 55 melee combat at the time as well as low ql bronze armor, and his first attack did not do any damage to me (nor damage my equipment). My attacks could drain around 20-25% of his blue bar.

But yeah, if you find and kill this guy, you can have an iron mine if you want it. (You may have to wait for the key, since the person with it is not online, or you can just knock down the gates, since there is currently no claim on it, it's just locked up).

Edit: It turns out this guy is a dick. He killed me, then somehow erased everything I owned.
Probably destroyed the containers, then just left the items to vanish (though there is a few theft scents).
I'd give you extra if you did the same to him, but I have nothing to offer since he destroyed it all!

[ElGato]

The mine is mine period.

Mine name was Kyffhausens zentraler Wegweiser
and I don't have to have my HF there to own it.
I killed you because you were being unreasonable.
Please just leave the mine alone. I'm sorry you were killed in this mess.

[Garfy]

Killed me for being unreasonable?

I asked you to prove the mine was yours, and you were totally unable to do this. You never even made an attempt at proving anything. You couldn't even tell me the name of the village claim, and you still have not gotten it correct.

Also, provided I was being "unreasonable" you're the one acting like a cry babby.
Not only did you kill me, you stole a bunch of stuff, and destroyed literally every thing I owned.

I am guessing you stole...
Both the 740ql thimbles.
Both the 160ql forge rings.
At least one 340ql straw hat.
The gold bar.
Probably the 170ql saw.
Maybe some other stuff I am forgetting about as well.

Doesn't matter though. The offer still stands.
There is tons of this guys scents everywhere. It shouldn't be hard to track and kill him. If you do you can have the iron mine.
If you also destroy all his stuff, I'll personally open the front gates of the mine for you.

[burgingham]

Except that you would have to invade Sodom to kill Gato. If he says it was his mine then you better believe it. We have enough mines, so no need to desperately make up some story to take one over.

[Asleep]

I'd like to add my encounter with this person to the records.


I live in the same village as Garfy and started playing roughly 4 days ago, all I have done and enjoy is farming. I logged in today a few minutes after the server came up and decided to go into our town center to fire up some clay for bricks when I spotted this individual walking into one of our houses. I was a bit shocked as I honestly had no idea what was going on, I stood there in my nettle shirt and pants and watched as he came back out a few moments later. Upon noticing me after a few seconds he ran to hide behind a house (you are hard to not see with bright pink armor on).

Now this is where it gets confusing for me. At this point in time I decide to just type a friendly hello to him in chat to try and figure out whats going on, while mid type however the individual comes over and begins attacking me. In total confusion I ran hoping he would stop or that it was somehow a mistake, seeing as I am literally wearing nettle pants, shirt, and a farming hat as well as have no clue how the combat system works I had no intention to fight anyone for anything. After a short chase and a few more hits he stopped and asked where the "person who lives there" was at. I attempted to contact the person, Garfy, while the individual who attacked me stated he "wanted his iron mine". While waiting for Garfy I attempted some polite smalltalk to diffuse whatever misguided anger he had towards myself and was ignored in favor of the mine topic. Garfy soon came out and began talking to this individual in a calm and polite manner, upon asking the individual to name the mine he was unable to citing it was "a long russian name". Garfy then informed him that he would require more specific information than that, upon hearing this the individual simply began attacking or building up combat points on Garfy. Garfy continued to discuss in a polite manner while being attacked and did not retaliate.


This is the kicker, I decided to just go about my daily business of farming and plowing fields, upon beginning to walk away the individual turned, chased me down, and attempted to kill me. I was left knocked out with 6 HHP left.


My questions would be:

1. Why in the world would you attack me preemptively? Especially when you say you "didn't want to kill anyone".
2. Why would you attack someone wearing literally no armor and poses no threat to you?
2. Why would you attempt to kill someone who has nothing to do with the situation at hand?

Ive been enjoying my 4 days of playing so far, however if this is considered proper and allowable etiquette then I do not believe this is the game for me.

[Jolaj]

Except that you would have to invade Sodom to kill Gato. If he says it was his mine then you better believe it. We have enough mines, so no need to desperately make up some story to take one over.

You've got two individuals claiming that they were either killed or beat nearly to death over a mine in a very unreasonable fashion by one of your people mon.

People don't like that kind of brutish threat from such a large empire mon; especially an empire with so many mines already...

[ElGato]

I'd like to add my encounter with this person to the records.


I live in the same village as Garfy and started playing roughly 4 days ago, all I have done and enjoy is farming. I logged in today a few minutes after the server came up and decided to go into our town center to fire up some clay for bricks when I spotted this individual walking into one of our houses. I was a bit shocked as I honestly had no idea what was going on, I stood there in my nettle shirt and pants and watched as he came back out a few moments later. Upon noticing me after a few seconds he ran to hide behind a house (you are hard to not see with bright pink armor on).

Now this is where it gets confusing for me. At this point in time I decide to just type a friendly hello to him in chat to try and figure out whats going on, while mid type however the individual comes over and begins attacking me. In total confusion I ran hoping he would stop or that it was somehow a mistake, seeing as I am literally wearing nettle pants, shirt, and a farming hat as well as have no clue how the combat system works I had no intention to fight anyone for anything. After a short chase and a few more hits he stopped and asked where the "person who lives there" was at. I attempted to contact the person, Garfy, while the individual who attacked me stated he "wanted his iron mine". While waiting for Garfy I attempted some polite smalltalk to diffuse whatever misguided anger he had towards myself and was ignored in favor of the mine topic. Garfy soon came out and began talking to this individual in a calm and polite manner, upon asking the individual to name the mine he was unable to citing it was "a long russian name". Garfy then informed him that he would require more specific information than that, upon hearing this the individual simply began attacking or building up combat points on Garfy. Garfy continued to discuss in a polite manner while being attacked and did not retaliate.


This is the kicker, I decided to just go about my daily business of farming and plowing fields, upon beginning to walk away the individual turned, chased me down, and attempted to kill me. I was left knocked out with 6 HHP left.


My questions would be:

1. Why in the world would you attack me preemptively? Especially when you say you "didn't want to kill anyone".
2. Why would you attack someone wearing literally no armor and poses no threat to you?
2. Why would you attempt to kill someone who has nothing to do with the situation at hand?

Ive been enjoying my 4 days of playing so far, however if this is considered proper and allowable etiquette then I do not believe this is the game for me.

Firstly, I wasn't trying to hide.
Secondly, I was there finding a thief. So I aggro'd you and got two IP points so I could KO you if you tried to run from me.
Thirdly, I wasn't trying to kill you. I KOd you because you're buddy Garf was being unreasonable
Lastly, this has nothing to do with the village I am in. I went there alone.

[morbious]

Except that you would have to invade Sodom to kill Gato. If he says it was his mine then you better believe it. We have enough mines, so no need to desperately make up some story to take one over.

If you "have enough mines" then why throw a fit over someone using an unused mine, raid the town's meager storehouse of valuables, and destroy every cabinet containing stuff not looted? Something doesn't add up.

It's not an "oops sorry I killed him" it's an "oops" over and over and over again. Sounds like some efforts might be being made to smooth things over but it's still a bit disheartening.

[Asleep]

Firstly, I wasn't trying to hide.
Secondly, I was there finding a thief. So I aggro'd you and got two IP points so I could KO you if you tried to run from me.
Thirdly, I wasn't trying to kill you. I KOd you because you're buddy Garf was being unreasonable
Lastly, this has nothing to do with the village I am in. I went there alone.

So if I understand you correctly, you had intentions of KOing someone walking around in noob gear simply because you were looking for someone? That seems like an awfully poor way to handle yourself, attacking random and quite possibly completely innocent people, common sense should prevail in someone who has played so long. As for Garf being unreasonable I completely disagree, both I and Garfy spoke to you as politely as we could. You simply have to look at it from a neutral perspective, you could provide absolutely no proof that the mine was yours, when asked politely multiple times you were unable to say the name of it. If you had simply named the mine or given any proof it was yours then it would have been given back and apologies would have been issued, as Garf said initially most of us have only been playing for a week and all we are trying to do is enjoy the game and make friends.

As for how we even got into the mine, someone came to us and gave us the keys to get in and said we could share it, we didn't even know there was a mine or town at that location prior to the encounter. I am sure you can completely see how confusing of a situation it is/was for us, one person gives us the keys to enter it and another comes to attack us wanting it back.

To be quite honest I couldn't care less about that mine or any mine, my qualm is with the way you approached me and ultimately attempted to kill me.

[Dataslycer]

The mine was actually Gato's to begin with but it has not been used for a while and the gate broke down and someone build over the gate (the name of minily or some similar. This individual gave a key (copy?) to the village that gorfy and asleep was inn speaking about sharing the mine.

Gato discovered that the CR to his mine was destroyed and upon arrival, the gate has been replaced. Gato had arrived to their village in intending to try to talk it out and the first individual that was spoken to was gorfy. I' not sure what gorfy is like even though someone that knows him describe him as stubborn sometimes. Gato say that gorfy was being unreasonable and snappy, causing him tension and aggravation. Gato killed him. Gato also KO'ed asleep (note, had he had intent in killing you, asleep, he would have just punched again to do so, also why is your HHP so low).

Anyhow, he had spoken with two individuals (I will not release the name unless they tell me it's OK or post here, I'm going to ask if it is OK for me to post their name here) that was friends with the village and I believe a peaceful resolution came out. All in all, it was a conflict that was rather unfortunate and I would like to ask the hostile air in this topic to disperse.