Make Hearth-Fires and Milestones pass-through

[BWithey]

I know that the first half of this is going to be a particularly unpopular idea.


Hearth fires need to be able to be passed through, even if they remain indestructible. There is an oft used exploit of building hearth-fires around a battering ram to create an indestructible wall, making them impossible to reach. This is an exploit of exploits. It means it's theoretically possible to create a wall that will stop even the most seasoned brick-buster, if one is simply willing to create enough alts to manage it.

On a similar note, if it were possible to pass through milestones, it would make building the automated roads much simpler, either that, or increasing the 'turn radius' of the milestone itself, so that it wouldn't be necessary to get so near before changing direction.

Either way, the hearth-fire exploit desperately needs removing.

(Admittedly, one *COULD* build a claim over said hearth-fires and remove them from being an obstacle, but better by far to remove the exploit entire by making them able to be passed through)

[DatOneGuy]

The hell are you talking about? Breaking hearth fires is piss easy, turn on criminal acts some time....


Milestones, +1, but then again that's been suggested a million and one times.

[Avu]

Dude hearth fires aren't indestructible you on crack or something?

[BWithey]

I thought, even with criminal acts on, that it was impossible to destroy someone elses hearthfire unless it was on your claim?

[DatOneGuy]

I thought, even with criminal acts on, that it was impossible to destroy someone elses hearthfire unless it was on your claim?

Nope, you should try it, almost everything in this game that's important you will learn first hand. It's Alpha, don't assume something until you try it yourself or have an absolutely 100% trustworthy source.

[loftar]

Making hearth fires pass-through would defeat their entire purpose, unfortunately. If things other than their owning character could occupy their space, they would cease working as a perfectly secure login point.

[BWithey]

I thought, even with criminal acts on, that it was impossible to destroy someone elses hearthfire unless it was on your claim?

Nope, you should try it, almost everything in this game that's important you will learn first hand. It's Alpha, don't assume something until you try it yourself or have an absolutely 100% trustworthy source.

Just did... I got the statement "Not your hearth fire" in response. It wouldn't let me attempt to destroy it.

@Loftar: Is there a way to make it so furniture can't be put there, but people could walk through? Is it possible to have the hearth-fire teleport someone/thing occupying it's space to the nearest unoccupied space if the owner attempts to hearth to it? (Or vice-versa, teleport the owner to a nearby location?)

Of course, there's the possible issue of the wall-jumping exploit getting worse.

[Danno]

I thought, even with criminal acts on, that it was impossible to destroy someone elses hearthfire unless it was on your claim?

Nope, you should try it, almost everything in this game that's important you will learn first hand. It's Alpha, don't assume something until you try it yourself or have an absolutely 100% trustworthy source.

Just did... I got the statement "Not your hearth fire" in response. It wouldn't let me attempt to destroy it.

@Loftar: Is there a way to make it so furniture can't be put there, but people could walk through? Is it possible to have the hearth-fire teleport someone/thing occupying it's space to the nearest unoccupied space if the owner attempts to hearth to it? (Or vice-versa, teleport the owner to a nearby location?)

Of course, there's the possible issue of the wall-jumping exploit getting worse.

I suppose we wouldn't have the issue with people getting stuck after going through the same door if he did that, which would also be nice.

[DatOneGuy]

Turn on Criminal Acts and learn the skill Vandalism.

[loftar]

@Loftar: Is there a way to make it so furniture can't be put there, but people could walk through?

Then you could still block people from logging in by standing in their hearth fire (or putting an alt there).

Is it possible to have the hearth-fire teleport someone/thing occupying it's space to the nearest unoccupied space if the owner attempts to hearth to it? (Or vice-versa, teleport the owner to a nearby location?)

Then there is, indeed, the issue of wall-jumping.