Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby Agasi » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:14 am

Q26 Metal Cauldron
Q40 Water
Q10 Fuel

Creating Character Stats:
30 Dex
100 Sewing
30 Psy

Q47+47+72 Leather
Q11 Wax
=Q33 H Leather (formula gives 31)

Q47+47+72 Leather
Q12 Wax
=Q33 H Leather (formula gives 31)

Q49+49+49 Leather
Q25+28 Wax
=Q36 H Leather (formula gives 35)
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby SpakyPD » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:42 pm

vatas wrote:Q30 leather
Q20 Wax (20 and 21, rounded down in my experience)
Q20 Cauldron
Q39 Water

DEX 33
PSY 21
SEW 38

Hardened Leather came out Q26


Agasi wrote:Q26 Metal Cauldron
Q22 Water
Q10 Fuel

Creating Character Stats:
28 Dex
90 Sewing
28 Psy

Q9 Leather
Q10 Wax
=Q12 H Leather

Q9 Leather
Q11 Wax
=Q13 H Leather

Q9 Leather
Q12 Wax
=Q13 H Leather


Agasi wrote:Q26 Metal Cauldron
Q40 Water
Q10 Fuel

Creating Character Stats:
30 Dex
100 Sewing
30 Psy

Q47+47+72 Leather
Q11 Wax
=Q33 H Leather (formula gives 31)

Q47+47+72 Leather
Q12 Wax
=Q33 H Leather (formula gives 31)

Q49+49+49 Leather
Q25+28 Wax
=Q36 H Leather (formula gives 35)


All of these results match the 'old' formula.

In addition, I noticed someone updated the wiki page about not using the craft all button. You can not use hardened leather to make hardened leather anymore. As such you can use the craft all button when making hardened leather.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby borka » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:53 pm

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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby SpakyPD » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:10 pm

Clay Cauldron testing.

SEW*DEX = 28 (21*40)
Leather Q22
Wax Q24
Water Q60

Cauldron Q10 = Hleather Q21

Cauldron Q29 = Hleather Q22

So it seems that clay cauldrons can affect the quality somehow, but at a very low impact. If someone wants to try and figure out the equation taking clay cauldrons, they are welcome to it.

But for metal cauldrons, the 'old' equation works.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby SpakyPD » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:39 pm

Metal Cauldron

SEW*DEX = 28 (21*40)
Leather Q28 +Q10+Q10 = Q16
Wax Q25+Q24 = Q24
Water Q60


Q20 (33+29+16+14+14+14)/6 = Hleather Q25

Q27 (34+33+33+33+15+14)/6 = Hleather Q25

Q28 (34+33+29+29+29+14)/6 = Hleather Q26

So the weight of the cauldron is proven here.

I don't see a reason why we can't put the equation:

((Softcap((QLeather + QWax)/2))*3 + (QWater +QMETAL Cauldron)/2)/4

On the wiki page.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby mvgulik » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:32 am

I'm always interested in stuff that (supposedly) proofs something.

But
SpakyPD wrote:Metal Cauldron
SEW*DEX = 28 (21*40)
Leather Q28 +Q10+Q10 = Q16
Wax Q25+Q24 = Q24
Water Q60
seems to be missing a hardened leather end result ?

And whats this?
Q20 (33+29+16+14+14+14)/6 = Hleather Q25

Q27 (34+33+33+33+15+14)/6 = Hleather Q25

Q28 (34+33+29+29+29+14)/6 = Hleather Q26
What is what here ?, and how it it related to the above data ?

I don't see a reason why we can't put the equation:

((Softcap((QLeather + QWax)/2))*3 + (QWater +QMETAL Cauldron)/2)/4

On the wiki page.
As there seems to be no general consensus on it. Not by forum users, and not by data.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby SpakyPD » Sat Sep 14, 2013 4:43 pm

The three different Q's are the metal cauldron Q's.

I did the same exact craft with a Q20, 27, and 28 metal cauldron.

I read back through this entire thread, and the only results that do NOT match the equation are ones with clay cauldrons.

For metal cauldrons, the equation works for every entry.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby mvgulik » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:16 am

SpakyPD wrote:The three different Q's are the metal cauldron Q's.

I did the same exact craft with a Q20, 27, and 28 metal cauldron.

Roger.
Wiki table update.

Digging into data ...
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby mvgulik » Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:42 am

MagicManICT wrote:Some more data: ...

@MagicManICT: PS: When was this data collected ?
- After OP topic start.
- Before OP topic start: W7
- Before OP topic start: W6
Just checking/verifying.
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Re: Hardened Leather Quality Formula!

Postby mvgulik » Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:56 pm

Well ..., as there are no other formula variations that are doing better than the first one here. Its getting my vote.

( ( SC((LeatherAvQ + WaxAvQ)/2)*3) + ((WaterQ + CauldronQ)/2) )/4
SC( LeatherAvQ*3/2 + WaxAvQ*3/2 )*1/4 + Water*1/8 + Cauldron*1/8
http://puu.sh/4rQ4K.png
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SC( ( (((LeatherAvQ + WaxAvQ)/2)*3)+((WaterQ + CauldronQ)/2) )/4 )
SC( LeatherAvQ*3/8 + WaxAvQ*3/8 + WaterQ*1/8 + CauldronQ*1/8 )
http://puu.sh/4rQ77.png
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