Antvgr wrote:SnuggleSnail wrote:IMO, the bloat and obtuseness of the game has a worse impact than bots. If you surveyed 10+ year old accounts about how to do grind industry/characters nearly none of them would even know where to start.
It's what you call "bloat" is what makes the game so great. It's extremely wide, it has tons of things to do, and you don't have any straight way illuminated for you. I have been playing for 5 months and only now starting to feel that i have some solid understanding of the game, and yet find new things every few days. I have not even touched alchemy! It's the beauty. Who needs another survival pvp sim with straight progression? Tons of them out there.
While the annoying variety of systems simulates depth for new players, for people who have already experienced it it's nothing more but an annoyance (which they are forced to do to not fall behind compared to others who do it). You cannot tailor your game to only new players bcs all of them will at some point experience all the game has to offer and then it's just the bad systems without the "sense of discovery".
Did you ever go whaling? It's basically 2-16 hours out of your life depending on your luck. First time hunting a whale might be cool, but when you go out for the 20th time same world and waste 8 hours only to find nothing it's not nearly as enjoyable.
Mining might seem cool at first ("oh boy i'm finding so much new stuff" type of deal), but then you realize you gotta mine for 8 hours a day, and pray to god while you do this, just to have a remote chance of finding a good ore/stone with good quality while 90% of what you'll find is complete garbage (ie. ores that you'd find at -2 while mining on -9)
I could go on and on about those kinds of systems bcs most of them are like this, truffles are super annoying to get (easily bottable btw) but super overpowered, questing increasing quality is autistically grindy but also good af, herding 500+ pigs makes for a whole day of work, etc.
From what i understood the devs get that if something is heavily botted then it's probably the mechanic/system that's at fault and not the bot maker and yet they fail to fix most of these systems and even introduce new super annoying things to grind out (ie. pickling, have fun manually managing hundreds of glass jars, making hundreds extra gardening pots for spices and then having a whole bunch of trees preferably by week 1 to make dozen barrels of vinegar).