Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby mvgulik » Tue Sep 02, 2025 10:37 am

pagsiu wrote:You can drag the survey area up/down by dragging the frame, not the corner dot.

One can't interact with the survey frame lines. Interaction is limited to the survey dots. (default vanilla client)

Ergo: It has the nice exception that changing the height of a single tile survey requires moving all 4 corners independently.
Still having the means to adjust the survey height from the UI would have negated this, kinda stupid but pure logical, exception.
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby pagsiu » Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:02 am

mvgulik wrote:
pagsiu wrote:You can drag the survey area up/down by dragging the frame, not the corner dot.

One can't interact with the survey frame lines. Interaction is limited to the survey dots. (default vanilla client)

Ergo: It has the nice exception that changing the height of a single tile survey requires moving all 4 corners independently.
Still having the means to adjust the survey height from the UI would have negated this, kinda stupid but pure logical, exception.

That's what I meant, the dots on the frame of a survey area. And yeah, I agree with you, a slider in the survey UI would simplify the process.

Also, patch when? Summer's over.
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby mvgulik » Tue Sep 02, 2025 11:59 am

Bug check ...

0) Makes sure inventory and surrounding area is devoid of any terrain altering resources.
1) Creates small survey on already flat terrain.
2) Moves survey area (or a single point) way up.
3) Hits [Ground level] OR [Ground plane] button (any number of times in any order).
4) Not interacting in any way, shape or form with any of the survey points. :roll:
5) Hits [Dig] button.
6) Gets a "You need soil to fill this up." message.
+) Close survey UI [x], and re-open the survey to see the graphical reason why.

Yea ... Its still there.

Probably one of the reasons why some run into first time trouble with the new survey.
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby Neppy » Tue Sep 02, 2025 10:39 pm

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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby Newbie53 » Wed Sep 03, 2025 12:14 am

bubblebudd wrote:You need a tutorial for the new surveying tool? Once you get the hang of it, its pretty convenient to use. Makes leveling and sloping easier then before.


The original system was convenient as you could adjust the height directly via the slider, this new system takes that away and it never gets anything perfectly level. I've wasted several bars of stamina trying to get it just right but it won't line up properly anymore. That said, the new system is worse, not better.
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby Nightdawg » Wed Sep 03, 2025 1:16 am

There's literally a button to make it flat, and instead of dragging the slider, you drag one point from inside what you selected. How is this worse?
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby Newbie53 » Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:18 pm

Nightdawg wrote:There's literally a button to make it flat, and instead of dragging the slider, you drag one point from inside what you selected. How is this worse?

The problem it it took away precise elevation control, something the original system had.

If the dev wants to revamp something, revamp permissions, they're in severe need of it. Whats the point of Denying theft privilege if rummaging gives the ability to lift and they can take the container outside your claim to loot it anyways? Rummaging is supposed to be "Look don't touch". Also, Animal privileges needs it's own category rather than being lumped in with vandalism
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby LaserSaysPew » Thu Sep 04, 2025 1:46 pm

Newbie53 wrote:If the dev wants to revamp something, revamp permissions, they're in severe need of it. Whats the point of Denying theft privilege if rummaging gives the ability to lift and they can take the container outside your claim to loot it anyways? Rummaging is supposed to be "Look don't touch". Also, Animal privileges needs it's own category rather than being lumped in with vandalism


Rummaging allowed to lift and carry, but yuo couldn't leave the claim while carrying that object iirc. Was that changed?
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Re: Game Development: Surveyor's Delight

Postby CunningGodOfDeath » Thu Sep 04, 2025 5:08 pm

Newbie53 wrote:Whats the point of Denying theft privilege if rummaging gives the ability to lift and they can take the container outside your claim to loot it anyways?


it doesnt
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