Prelude: World 16.1

[animary]

"...Shorter worlds, 3-5 months time limit, so people can routinely come back to the game and play a fresh server"

This just leads to a "king of the hill" game. The top players, who are eating sausage and cheese while making steel armor within the first few weeks, will be the only ones here.

[animary]

"The one time we get a literal world for PVP players, and a world that doesn't wipe for PVE players, there are more PVE players complaining than ever.

What happened?"

I haven't seen such worlds.

[OIchi]

Because the day PvP is removed, your base will be griefed so hard with non-PvP mechanics, that you will start creating threads asking to bring it back, that's why.

While I agree, that there would need to be some very minor changes for PvE worlds to work, most of what people bring up as arguments for how bad griefing would be are just mild annoyances at best.
Like alt body/gate blocking, sure might be slightly annoying, but worst case you'll have a day to work inside of your village until the guy that is trying to block you gets bored an hour later. Similar to how it is when pvp guy is roaming your area.
Not to mention all that had to be changed to pretty much eliminate the problem would be making it so you get visitor buff when entering claim you don't own, so you can be evicted.
Also it'll be common for the first week or two, because "pvp" players/trolls are going to try and prove their point, but it'll quickly calm down, since griefers wont find it worth it in the long run.
The only actual issue that would have to be addressed are claims. Size of both village claims and pclaims would have to be limited in some way.

[Audiosmurf]

I think no one should care what this schwarzvald retard has to say because of the time he sperged out and tried to doxx me over a moot thread

[Jenno]

The ideal average player uses the vanilla client, plays a single character, doesn’t cheat, and spends maybe two hours a day in the game. (This was revealed to me in a dream.)

All game design decisions should cater to that playstyle.

Those players can’t coexist with some of the PvP psychopaths in an environment that allows botting and multiboxing alts.

[jpjpjpppjp]

The groups with 100 bots perma online is a bit too much...
I know forcing steam linked accounts isn't a fix to the problem but it could help even if only a bit temporarily.
Maybe steam link + cap on connections from same IP could make the issue better.

[losexd]

The ideal average player uses the vanilla client, plays a single character, doesn’t cheat, and spends maybe two hours a day in the game. (This was revealed to me in a dream.)

All game design decisions should cater to that playstyle.

Those players can’t coexist with some of the PvP psychopaths in an environment that allows botting and multiboxing alts.

[animary]

I see many want to eliminate fast travel. There are definitely pros and cons to that.

For many years I was addicted to Morrowind and Oblivion, and I detested fast travel in both. It was much more immersive to travel by foot or horseback, camping along the way if the trip were long enough. But those were offline games, I could save at any point and return later to pick up where I left off. Haven is a real time world, it doesn't wait for you when you log out. How many players have time for even an hour long trip somewhere in addition to their ordinary game duties? I manage to play about an hour a day (with usually one day alone for cooking and curios, lol).

So here is an alternative - instead of fast travel you have "safe travel". If going from your home to a market entails taking a road to the nearest thingwall then from there to the charterstone at the market, rather than instantly appearing at the market the trip will take as much time as if you were walking/riding there. You cannot do anything else during this time, you are traveling; but you will get a message of how long the trip will take, so log out and return later. Since as it now stands the game computes your travel weariness for trips it obviously knows how far you've gone, so just convert that to time elapsed. It will be a safe trip since in the game you will just disappear from your current location and, after the proper time, appear at your destination. You will still need to discover the thingwalls and build a road to them.

[animary]

"I know forcing steam linked accounts isn't a fix to the problem..."

It certainly isn't. There are many who refuse to be assimilated by the Borg collective of Steam. I have never purchased from them, never will.

[Lao_Bao]

I see many want to eliminate fast travel. There are definitely pros and cons to that.

For many years I was addicted to Morrowind and Oblivion, and I detested fast travel in both. It was much more immersive to travel by foot or horseback, camping along the way if the trip were long enough. But those were offline games, I could save at any point and return later to pick up where I left off. Haven is a real time world, it doesn't wait for you when you log out. How many players have time for even an hour long trip somewhere in addition to their ordinary game duties? I manage to play about an hour a day (with usually one day alone for cooking and curios, lol).

So here is an alternative - instead of fast travel you have "safe travel". If going from your home to a market entails taking a road to the nearest thingwall then from there to the charterstone at the market, rather than instantly appearing at the market the trip will take as much time as if you were walking/riding there. You cannot do anything else during this time, you are traveling; but you will get a message of how long the trip will take, so log out and return later. Since as it now stands the game computes your travel weariness for trips it obviously knows how far you've gone, so just convert that to time elapsed. It will be a safe trip since in the game you will just disappear from your current location and, after the proper time, appear at your destination. You will still need to discover the thingwalls and build a road to them.

You're right about that; not everyone has the time.
In my opinion, this not bad alternative.