A Plea for Moderation

[Austinh15]

Now that's much more reasonable.
Could it be that you can now concede I wasn't trying to attack anyone, but instead draw attention to the difficulties of being a moderator these days, and my intent was merely to in good faith suggest an anonymous moderator would address some potential issues?

If that's the headline of your comments, then I'll take it. Moderating this hell hole would be tough. And I think your idea isn't bad but I think accountability is still a crucial part of a position of power, no?

I would sooner put multiple biased opposing moderators in a circus and let Jorb be their tired ring master. That sounds like a delightfully disasterous decision that I'm NOT endorsing. I just simply started thinking about checks and balances. Maybe there's a way to enforce neutrality?

I understand your thinking, and it seems sound. Unfortunately in other contexts we usually operate with the assumption that someone is going to hopefully be unbiased unless they've got some clear conflict of interest.

We've made that bar pretty high by fighting over this, no? Not even poor Pills was found to be unbiased enough lol.

I'm more of a "assume everyone is biased and put systems in place to make that not a problem" kinda guy. Fairly jaded over the years. Our discourse is pretty good if not for anything than to show Jorb people care, and I trust Jorb will make his moves with that in mind.

[Ardennesss]

I understand your thinking, and it seems sound. Unfortunately in other contexts we usually operate with the assumption that someone is going to hopefully be unbiased unless they've got some clear conflict of interest.

We've made that bar pretty high by fighting over this, no? Not even poor Pills was found to be unbiased enough lol.

To be fair, that was the main advantage to Granger and Magicman once upon a time - they weren't affiliated with anyone really. The downside is Granger was a plastic moderator badge wearing tyrant and Magicman decided to share his.. unconventional opinions on sexual relationship with underage individuals. Moderator is one of those things that the best people for the job are the ones not asking for it, anyone who is going out of their way to put their name forward is doing so with an agenda already in mind.

[Dawidio123]

I understand your thinking, and it seems sound. Unfortunately in other contexts we usually operate with the assumption that someone is going to hopefully be unbiased unless they've got some clear conflict of interest.

We've made that bar pretty high by fighting over this, no? Not even poor Pills was found to be unbiased enough lol.

To be fair, that was the main advantage to Granger and Magicman once upon a time - they weren't affiliated with anyone really. The downside is Granger was a plastic moderator badge wearing tyrant and Magicman decided to share his.. unconventional opinions on sexual relationship with underage individuals. Moderator is one of those things that the best people for the job are the ones not asking for it, anyone who is going out of their way to put their name forward is doing so with an agenda already in mind.

I agree, mod ard.

[ChillyPepper]

Get rid of the forums and you won't need mods.

[Kaios2]

To be fair, that was the main advantage to Granger and Magicman once upon a time - they weren't affiliated with anyone really. The downside is Granger was a plastic moderator badge wearing tyrant and Magicman decided to share his.. unconventional opinions on sexual relationship with underage individuals.

Indeed, very fair statement coming from the leader of degeneracy discord. Do you in fact know who they played with over the years?

Moderator is one of those things that the best people for the job are the ones not asking for it, anyone who is going out of their way to put their name forward is doing so with an agenda already in mind.

Agree with that at least. Most people are unlikely to recall but I never asked for it myself. It was actually loftar who, without any prior notice, drafted me into service. Unfortunately one of the main issues is that given the vague rules and jorb and loftar's generally dismissive attitude on the matter, they essentially give permission for moderators to enforce things however they see fit and then act surprised when suddenly users are complaining to them about moderation.

Of course, I do think that in most cases the offending posts/users did and still do deserve whatever punishment they received and have yet to receive. Myself included.

[Ardennesss]

Indeed, very fair statement coming from the leader of degeneracy discord.

The Official Haven & Hearth discord server has no leader.

Do you in fact know who they played with over the years?

No, which I guess is my point - if either of them ever played in something resembling a faction, it didn't really seem to matter because it never came up - it didn't define them. I don't know that a good mod necessarily MUST not be in a faction, but being in a faction can't be their only reason for relevance (as was the case of noneck, a literal nobody prior to w15 begging multiple people to play with them w15 before resorting to WB.)

[donbot]

I've no reason to doubt No!nek. I'm not asking for someone to be punished for his alleged harassment, nor does he seem to be.

I get it. You want to be a real life Saul Goodman, but on an obscure forum of an obscure game. It is very tiring to read though. Why is it that No!nek was so eager to mention it, but conveniently refuses to post evidence or go to police?

Please. It's clear that you're alluding to me - go on and say it already, because I have nothing to hide - for I am innocent.

"This austrian guy with a funny square mustache that dislikes the jews did XYZ, no I don't mean Hitler, are you ridiculous? Maybe you want to admit it that he did that."

Would a guilty person not give a damn about such serious thing getting exposed? Go figure.

[Kaios2]

No, which I guess is my point - if either of them ever played in something resembling a faction, it didn't really seem to matter because it never came up - it didn't define them.

Exactly. Granger was one of the first people I played with, joining his village in world 10, and we continued to play together for quite some time after that and he moderated my posts as much as anyone else. I also gave him plenty of shit in return for his moderation which resulted in the deterioration of any friendship we may have had.

Really, no one should want to be a moderator without some type of remuneration involved. Dealing with degenerates on a regular basis resulting in a negative impact on one's mental well-being and becoming a pariah within the community are not good incentives.

[VillagerAs]

Indeed, very fair statement coming from the leader of degeneracy discord.

The Official Haven & Hearth discord server has no leader.

Do you in fact know who they played with over the years?

No, which I guess is my point - if either of them ever played in something resembling a faction, it didn't really seem to matter because it never came up - it didn't define them. I don't know that a good mod necessarily MUST not be in a faction, but being in a faction can't be their only reason for relevance (as was the case of noneck, a literal nobody prior to w15 begging multiple people to play with them w15 before resorting to WB.)

DO NOT mod ardenness, he is associated with all toxic people on this forum

10 seconds of searching our discord

[Ardennesss]

DO NOT mod ardenness

Agreed, we need forum moderators who aren't afraid to get their hands dirty and do what needs to be done - like Robben, who kidnapped my family and is threatening to harm them unless I write this favorable post for him.


Please give them back Robben, I underestimated the cruelty you were clearly capable of - but don't escalate it further to murder, you have your whole life ahead of you - think of your future man.