Game Development: Gongalong!

[Girth]

In case anyone is Out-of-the-Loop on why the concept of "rage-less fighter" is considered such an issue: they basically introduce a major "free-rider problem" into PvP.

Because of unchanged core mechanics, it's kind of important (or outright necessary) to gain aggro on every target (that isn't explicitly a friend/ally) and this means people can insert themselves into a fight without Rage, as opponents will simply initiate the combat relation(s) for them.

"Just don't aggro everyone then, isn't that obvious?" Problem is, there's absolutely zero indication on whether someone has rage or not. You're basically asking people to not fight, or blindly guess.

This would be bad enough, but let us take a look at why people don't want to buy Rage. (Spoiler alert: it's not the 50k LP cost.)

Rage has a massive opportunity cost by permanently "cursing" the character with "can't walk through a Heavy Gate while in combat, even if it's just PvE" - while a "Rageless fighter" can run through even while in combat with other players!

as a silver lining, nidbanes cannot be sent on behalf of rageless characters, though most people seem to think that nidbanes are worthless opponents anyways. i would rather that there be 2 kinds of gates than to make taking rage a fools errand or the strict domain of some alt.

[vatas]

I can't blame devs (that much) for trying to get rid of two different gate types. People kept trying to build airlocks except they did it completely wrong, like having the visitor gate as the outer gate (basically pointless?), or both gates be normal gates (this one could have situational usefulness, but also a MASSIVE security hole unless you have them on an area that's deliberately assumed to be not-automatically-safe and is separated from the main base with a visitor gate.)
On the other hand, would it have been impossible to have any kind of in-game documentation on how this crap worked?

Meanwhile with Rage, it definitely shouldn't have a permanent downside attached to it. It was already tried back in w11 where it disabled the KO Protection which may have sounded good on paper, except it had the exact same problem as the current gate restriction - it also applied to PvE. You basically couldn't do Dungeons with characters that had Rage (unless you were really into recreating the WoW Classic Hardcore experience in Haven.)
Also you can just maintain a "rage bank" of however many LP it takes to unlock Rage, completely sidestepping the penalty until you get into a situation where you really want the ability to aggro another player.
If I was in Jorb's shoes, the next "6 month" World's experiment would be to have Rage be 1. with zero permanent downsides (also possibly very cheap while keeping other Crime skills expensive) 2. have it work somewhat like Murderous Rage in the sense it needs to be activated, it can't be toggled off willy-nilly, and while it's active there's some downside/tradeoff.

[Regulus2424]

in-game documentation

really? right in front of my joy of discovery?

[SnuggleSnail]

Meanwhile with Rage, it definitely shouldn't have a permanent downside attached to it. It was already tried back in w11 where it disabled the KO Protection which may have sounded good on paper, except it had the exact same problem as the current gate restriction

at some point once they've repeated the same mistake and not learned anything enough times you have to accept they're just monkeys with typewriters

there are some hard to fix, possibly unfixable problems with the core concept of haven, but the overwhelming majority of impactful problems could be fixed with 2 minute variable changes if the person at the wheel was conscious. 10 years of OCO and tree yaoi instead

5? 10? years of begging for energy food to not rape your hunger. Such an easy fix that in world 11 they added it accidentally as a bug, then after everybody loved it they removed it

[CCKpoppin]

at some point once they've repeated the same mistake and not learned anything enough times you have to accept they're just monkeys with typewriters

*Gnomes with a large and strange bunch of mysterious runes

[Frogg]

"aiming for next week" bros... I don't feel so good.

[Frogg]

This one is going to be big. I can smell it.

[Robben_DuMarsch]

World 19, we're gonna skip a few.

[sMartins]

Trust the process ... By 2050 these guys will craft a whole new world ... irl.

[524u]

Loftar, you brilliant intellectual human being, please lock Jorb in a room, sit with him, maybe on lap, and create world 16.2.
Make it a short, 2 months world to >>TEST<< changes for example different time speed, maybe change required time to make steel (without ruining sleep schedule), then launch W17 with new content, like 5 new birds.

A lot of people are waiting for a new world. What are you waiting for? Another crop? Food? Pillar?

W16.1 was supposed to be a test server, it's already 6 months

New world = more subs = money