A Plea for Moderation

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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Skin_DuWalker » Mon Oct 28, 2024 2:45 pm

Woah, hold your horses. Calm down man. Take the chill pill.
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Pills » Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:05 pm

joojoo1975 wrote: stuff


So responding to somebody is being thin skinned and emotional? That's rich coming from the guy who has decided to have incredibly strong negative feelings towards me just because I publicly admit to using bots for the parts of the game I just don't want to engage with anymore.

Regarding popularity, literally everybody saying "yeah +1" does not know me, and that is why they are saying +1 because i'm not affiliated with the larger factions, I do not play into the political bullshit of the larger groups and I'm a big advocate for constructive discussions over shouting competitions when it comes to difference of opinions. The ones that do know me are through in-game interactions around trading, and honestly that's not many.

I'm sorry that you do not like me because I have different views on bots and alts to you and you refuse to have any real constructive discussion about that. I've tried several times in that other thread to initiate any sort of actual discussion about real ways the problems around bots could be addressed, but you refuse to budge on your stance of "anybody at all who has even 1 alt should be permanently banned from the game, including their IP address even if that's an IP of a library or an entire school or something", to the point where you're actively trying to force that into your replies in any thread you possibly can.
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby SnuggleSnail » Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:14 pm

Pills wrote:because i'm not affiliated with the larger factions


You're in F&I which is somewhere in the top 10 or so largest / most relevant groups. You're friendly enough with the other factions that whenever we bully you guys managed to get somebody from the primary 2/3 groups to help you. I've personally been allied with your group against AD in the past. Your village has Dani in it, which was one of the most divisive people the game has ever had: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=59859, viewtopic.php?f=58&t=60001&p=766683

You seem like a vaguely normal human adult so I'm not going to shit your pants if you become a mod but I rly don't see why you feel the need to be misleading about this stuff
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Pills » Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:19 pm

SnuggleSnail wrote:You're in F&I which is somewhere in the top 10 or so largest / most relevant groups. You're friendly enough with the other factions that whenever we bully you guys managed to get somebody from the primary 2/3 groups to help you. I've personally been allied with your group against AD in the past. Your village has Dani in it, which was one of the most divisive people the game has ever had: viewtopic.php?f=58&t=59859, viewtopic.php?f=58&t=60001&p=766683

You seem like a vaguely normal human adult so I'm not going to shit your pants if you become a mod but I rly don't see why you feel the need to be misleading about this stuff


I agree that as a group we're in top 10 (probably?), but are we really relevant? our group is 80% larp and the majority of the "big players" that made fni competitive when it was aren't playing the game anymore. I don't think i'm being misleading, I just don't think our group can really be considered a faction or relevant anymore beyond us being friendly with people since we don't get involved in jack shit anymore. Dani, as an example, is still in our discord and actively plays other games with us, but the W10 situtation stopped him from really caring about haven.

I did enjoy our massive realm expansion spam in W11 though (or was it 12?) that was fun, hope you're doing well lad. For what its worth, if our group is really still considered "relevant" to the larger politics in the game now then fair enough i'm happy to change my views, but I would stillargue that I myself am personally not affiliated with the larger groups. Most of our group just want to build nice looking stuff and play the game together as a group of friends.
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby grumgrumganoe » Mon Oct 28, 2024 3:51 pm

joojoo1975 wrote:Working in corrections for 20+ years, I know what happens to the popular guard who is "friends" with a lot of the inmates. Never goes well.

bruh being a janitor on 4channel.com/b isnt “working in corrections”
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby joojoo1975 » Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:20 pm

Pills wrote:So responding to somebody is being thin skinned and emotional? That's rich coming from the guy who has decided to have incredibly strong negative feelings towards me just because I publicly admit to using bots for the parts of the game I just don't want to engage with anymore.

Regarding popularity, literally everybody saying "yeah +1" does not know me, and that is why they are saying +1 because i'm not affiliated with the larger factions, I do not play into the political bullshit of the larger groups and I'm a big advocate for constructive discussions over shouting competitions when it comes to difference of opinions. The ones that do know me are through in-game interactions around trading, and honestly that's not many.

I'm sorry that you do not like me because I have different views on bots and alts to you and you refuse to have any real constructive discussion about that. I've tried several times in that other thread to initiate any sort of actual discussion about real ways the problems around bots could be addressed, but you refuse to budge on your stance of "anybody at all who has even 1 alt should be permanently banned from the game, including their IP address even if that's an IP of a library or an entire school or something", to the point where you're actively trying to force that into your replies in any thread you possibly can.


Uh, I don't have anything against you beside your botting, but even then I can understand where you come from, but I just cannot condone it.

Constructive criticism? the thread where you stopped replying is still active. And now it's just not me, but others on both sides of the debate have begun voicing their point of views. you just stopped when you know what I spoke was something you could not refute.

Also I high lighted areas in your reply that, to me, seems you are being rather emotional. But maybe I am wrong. But when you begin to just start saying things I never said. . .


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joojoo1975 wrote:Working in corrections for 20+ years, I know what happens to the popular guard who is "friends" with a lot of the inmates. Never goes well.

bruh being a janitor on /b isnt “working in corrections”
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Audiosmurf » Mon Oct 28, 2024 10:56 pm

Can I inquire as to how smartins of all people winds up curfewed while there are still shitposting sockpuppets all over the shop with no intervention?
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Pills » Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:10 pm

joojoo1975 wrote:
Pills wrote:So responding to somebody is being thin skinned and emotional? That's rich coming from the guy who has decided to have incredibly strong negative feelings towards me just because I publicly admit to using bots for the parts of the game I just don't want to engage with anymore.

Regarding popularity, literally everybody saying "yeah +1" does not know me, and that is why they are saying +1 because i'm not affiliated with the larger factions, I do not play into the political bullshit of the larger groups and I'm a big advocate for constructive discussions over shouting competitions when it comes to difference of opinions. The ones that do know me are through in-game interactions around trading, and honestly that's not many.

I'm sorry that you do not like me because I have different views on bots and alts to you and you refuse to have any real constructive discussion about that. I've tried several times in that other thread to initiate any sort of actual discussion about real ways the problems around bots could be addressed, but you refuse to budge on your stance of "anybody at all who has even 1 alt should be permanently banned from the game, including their IP address even if that's an IP of a library or an entire school or something", to the point where you're actively trying to force that into your replies in any thread you possibly can.


Uh, I don't have anything against you beside your botting, but even then I can understand where you come from, but I just cannot condone it.

Constructive criticism? the thread where you stopped replying is still active. And now it's just not me, but others on both sides of the debate have begun voicing their point of views. you just stopped when you know what I spoke was something you could not refute.

Also I high lighted areas in your reply that, to me, seems you are being rather emotional. But maybe I am wrong. But when you begin to just start saying things I never said. . .


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joojoo1975 wrote:Working in corrections for 20+ years, I know what happens to the popular guard who is "friends" with a lot of the inmates. Never goes well.

bruh being a janitor on /b isnt “working in corrections”
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you are correct :)


I stopped replying because I stopped caring since there was no discussion, it was everybody that wasn't your saying "let's talk about why people use bots" and you replying to everybody with "no, you're all the problem, anybody who even has an alt should be banned". I said everything I had to say in that thread, why do you care so strongly that I stopped replying?

This is a thread about moderation, can you leave your agenda about "bots bad ban bots" to your other thread.
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby joojoo1975 » Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:19 pm

Pills wrote:I stopped replying because I stopped caring since there was no discussion, it was everybody that wasn't your saying "let's talk about why people use bots" and you replying to everybody with "no, you're all the problem, anybody who even has an alt should be banned". I said everything I had to say in that thread, why do you care so strongly that I stopped replying?

This is a thread about moderation, can you leave your agenda about "bots bad ban bots" to your other thread.


Pills wrote:Because I disagree with you about banning alts? Show me where I've been toxic or breaking the forum rules, bizarre that you think me disagreeing with you in particular makes me somehow part of the problem of the forums lack of moderation recently. I think you're part of the problem tbh lad


See this is where you brought up the "bots" issue. You brought this into the discussion, not me :)


And I don't care you stopped replying. I just figured that you had nothing left to say.

Also again Highlighted a lot of text that seems rather emotional :)
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Re: A Plea for Moderation

Postby Pills » Mon Oct 28, 2024 11:26 pm

joojoo1975 wrote:
Pills wrote:I stopped replying because I stopped caring since there was no discussion, it was everybody that wasn't your saying "let's talk about why people use bots" and you replying to everybody with "no, you're all the problem, anybody who even has an alt should be banned". I said everything I had to say in that thread, why do you care so strongly that I stopped replying?

This is a thread about moderation, can you leave your agenda about "bots bad ban bots" to your other thread.


Pills wrote:Because I disagree with you about banning alts? Show me where I've been toxic or breaking the forum rules, bizarre that you think me disagreeing with you in particular makes me somehow part of the problem of the forums lack of moderation recently. I think you're part of the problem tbh lad


See this is where you brought up the "bots" issue. You brought this into the discussion, not me :)


And I don't care you stopped replying. I just figured that you had nothing left to say.

Also again Highlighted a lot of text that seems rather emotional :)


Lad, you tried to call me out for being "part of the problem" solely based on the fact I very publicly said I use bots and why I use them. So I called that out. Your behaviour in the last few posts on this thread, all of which directed at me are entirely attempted at manipulating any sort of "emotional" response. You, my friend, are the toxic one in this situation.

Behave and grow up.
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