Weird inventory glitch.

[rye130]

It isn't the first time I'm seeing this bug, though I still don't really know what it is. It seems to be a pure client-side bug, at least, so it's not too much to worry about.

I think adding the curiosity system would fix it.

[loftar]

Not that I'd mind trying out the curiosity system on the main server per se, but I don't really see how it would be able to stand on its own without the rest of the study system. With only curiosities and skills still being bought for LP, there seems to be nothing to bootstrap the acquisition of skills necessary for making curiosities. And the rest of the study system is a bit too immature for that.

[sabinati]

you could keep lp gained from normal activities but put heavy diminishing returns on it. oh, and of course the lp you gain from each new item you encounter.

[Jackard]

Not that I'd mind trying out the curiosity system on the main server per se, but I don't really see how it would be able to stand on its own without the rest of the study system. With only curiosities and skills still being bought for LP, there seems to be nothing to bootstrap the acquisition of skills necessary for making curiosities. And the rest of the study system is a bit too immature for that.

bold for emphasis:

I'd like to repeat my suggestion of making curiosities the *only* source of LP, and boosting them accordingly.

Making curiosities the sole way of gaining LP is also a way to make different playstyles more feasible. Right now, if you want to be a dedicated merchant you better like having a crappy character, since arranging and conducting deals doesn't give any LP and every moment spent trading is a moment not spent killing bears, grinding flour or doing something else that does give LP. Removing LP from actions will also remove the atmosphere-breaking gamey stuff, like killing animals and then just leaving the corpses there, or converting large swathes of forest into buckets. Removing incentive to do stuff that's essentially useless will result in people doing more useful stuff, especially in cases where the game itself can't distinguish between the two (are you making a bucket because you're grinding, or because you need a bucket?). Unlike the game, other people can easily tell if something is of benefit to them, and reward you for any kind of service accordingly. This would also kill macroing once and for all.

it would be nice if (as suggested near the end of the study thread) if curiosities and discoveries, buffed accordingly, were the only things that awarded LP - the intent being to remove the attractiveness of performing repetitive, tedious, and senseless actions like clearcutting or overhunting or overfarming purely for the sake of earning LP

you could even add a thing where the village idol could study a few curiosities and award all village members with LP

And this is why curiosities should replace action-based LP *completely*.

Curiosities+discoveries. The latter is what gets the motor running, and it's not really exploitable.

Yeah, those are good too, I just forgot them.

seems like they are usually forgotten, but I don't think Curiosities really work without them so ive been reminding people each time

Alternatively, you could just give players more starter skills and a few easier forageables

main benefits of curiosities:

this might not turn out to be the perfect system but i could definitely use it for low or unrewarding activities like travel, trade, supply, organization

also, no more threads whining about nerfing lp for tasks like mining

[loftar]

When you say, "discoveries", do you, as sabinati, refer to the LP gained from each new item "seen"? I agree that is a nice bootstrapper, but does it really make sense in itself as just an LP-generator? I always viewed the LP gained from that system as an unimportant bonus, seeing how its purpose was to drive the study system. Of course, one might argue that it's just better than nothing.

There's also the issue of village authority. If authority, too, is gained by characters studying curiosities, that seems like a recipe for farming study-alts.

[novaalpha]

To me it seems like you're talking about different things...

[Jackard]

When you say, "discoveries", do you, as sabinati, refer to the LP gained from each new item "seen"? I agree that is a nice bootstrapper, but does it really make sense in itself as just an LP-generator?

yes and yes. also see the part i bolded in red

There's also the issue of village authority. If authority, too, is gained by characters studying curiosities, that seems like a recipe for farming study-alts.

even alts would still be using resources, and its not as though the current authority seems difficult to gain for anyone other than hermits

but if it was a concern you could always have players continue to contribute authority through activities, separating auth gain from LP gain entirely

[Kaios]

but if it was a concern you could always have players continue to contribute authority through activities, separating auth gain from LP gain entirely

thisssssss

[Jackard]

and actually i already suggested that part like a month ago in a PM i sent loftar....

[loftar]

also see the part i bolded in red

Yes, I saw it when you posted it originally, but I don't like it. :)

I think the initial skill acquisition is meaningful both as a learning experience for new players and for "setting the scene", so to say, with skills and their lore. It's also fun to gain those first "scout badges".

More easy foragables is always a good idea though, of course.

but if it was a concern you could always have players continue to contribute authority through activities, making it separate from LP gain

In part (in part, mind you) I would like that, but it's very ugly and costly to maintain that entire system for that purpose alone. Either way, I can, in general, conceive of a couple of potential schemes of resolving the problem -- what I'm mainly trying to say is that the curiosity system can't just be "plugged in" over night; not only because of that, but also because the curiosity system (as a matter of coding) would take some time to properly isolate from the rest of the study system; and also because more curiosities would also be necessary if they are to be the only method of gaining LP. Given some time, though, I certainly would enjoy testing it on a larger scale than previously, and the advantages it has over the current method of LP acquisition are obvious.