The Will to Power

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

I didn't realize this during the time I started playing but I recently realize the source of the skill "Will to Power" in Haven and Hearth. Now my question is what is it that you think of Nietzsche's Will to Power and how it relates to the player's behavior in Haven and Hearth in general?

Edit: For those that do not know what I am talking about. Here is a wiki site https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power

[jordancoles]

I still don't know what it refers to

If only there were a wikipedia link for me to click on in the op

[Ysh]

I still don't know what it refers to

If only there were a wikipedia link for me to click on in the op

Here you can check the wikipedia for this one.

[dageir]

It is unclear what Nietzsche meant. A discussion about what he meant could be interesting, but I do not think any of us (including me)
has the philosophical deep knowledge to be able to pull off such a discussion. I would be happy to be proven wrong though.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

Here you can check the wikipedia for this one.

Actually wrong one. This is what is referring to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_to_power

Going to edit OP with it.

[Hasta]

how it relates to the player's behavior in Haven and Hearth

I believe that, in gaming, a pure "Will to Power" is just an aspect of "will to pleasure", the pleasure being in the ability to project your power unto others. Simply put, in any game that involves any PvP competition the goal is not to have power, but to use and abuse it. So, in H&H, those who's pleasure resides in power-abusing area, strive to have best-quality items and learn most efficient, often exploiting, mechanics - they accumulate power to show it.

This is proven by th fact that every more or less successful PvP event involving even the tiny bit relevant group, faction or even player is screenshotted and otherwise documented all the way through and brought to the public in a matter of minutes.

So, tl;dr, having power is not enough, in most cases showing power brings pleasure, therefore, in H&H, Freud > Nietzsche.

[dageir]

Hasta, I do not think you can say that everyone would enjoy actually using the power for doing stuff.
Some might enjoy having the potential to do certain acts. To have the potential keeps people i check and is effective resource vise.
To actually use the potential might unleash unforeseen events and you might lose the power and resources.

[Patchouli_Knowledge]

I would disagree with you, Hasta, that the act of moving towards the top involves stimulation or self-gratitude but more of a necessity. In order to strive, you need to rise above something, either the elements of the game or a potential encounter of another player. I see that many people that adopt the master morality seems to find more success (though it is not guarantee) as oppose to those of slave morality. Actually it is that is why when i thought of this, the first thing that comes into mind is Haven and Hearth.

As for screenshotting your victor over someone, that is just more looking at the behavior of competitive gaming in itself which is a different field of discussion. It is a valid subject but not one that is entirely focused on in this topic but thank you for the mention.

It is unclear what Nietzsche meant. A discussion about what he meant could be interesting, but I do not think any of us (including me)
has the philosophical deep knowledge to be able to pull off such a discussion. I would be happy to be proven wrong though.

He has been a hotspot in philosophy for some times now and even I haven't have enough of an understanding of him and his works to full discuss it fluidly.

[Ysh]

Hasta, I do not think you can say that everyone would enjoy actually using the power for doing stuff.
Some might enjoy having the potential to do certain acts. To have the potential keeps people i check and is effective resource vise.
To actually use the potential might unleash unforeseen events and you might lose the power and resources.

Power as used with the casual conversation is mostly refers to illusion of power. The difference of power between two men cannot vary very muchly. A man can only ever have power of himself and to exert the forces of his muscle (or of some tools under the direct controls of his). Some one may say ''What of the dictator? He will have more power than the common man.'' But these powers of dictator are illusion. He will only have power over men as those men will grant their powers to him. If these men of military realize that the dictator, too, is just a man as them, they can refuse him. This is what I mean about power can not vary between men this much. All structure of power is just an illusion.

As you say dageir, use of power is not the purpose. In facts, using the power is maybe detrimental to them. The need is to maintain influence of other men and maintain illusion of power. If I were to call upon those men with influence, they may deny me and this illusion crumbles. But to not call on them, the illusion can maintain.

Men care more of their potential than their reality state to determine their own success and fulfillment, I think.

[Hasta]

To have the potential keeps people in check and is effective resource vise.
To actually use the potential might unleash unforeseen events and you might lose the power and resources.

While this describes my personal playstyle precisely (development for the sake of development, evergrowing potential, finding the satisfaction in being able to do things without actually doing them), I doubt that this is the driving force of statistically meaningful percentage of players. Well, as a compromise - much more players are rather pragmatic about their achievements: they achieve not "to have", but "to use".

On a side note -- I must agree, everything, with more or less of a stretch, can fall into the category of being driven by "will to pleasure". Having potential brings you pleasure? There you go. Let's determine that an action/concept is considered to be driven by pleasure only if a pleasure is somewhat of a direct outcome. I.e. highly developed player griefing a roundpole base is driven by pleasure, one noob trashing another's wooden house for plunder is a will to power in a sense of "an action to achieve higher position in a social group".