Trump & Kim Jong Un sign a ‘historic document’

[jordancoles]

https://youtu.be/hP17zprF94w

It seems like the first meetings are going well. I noticed that Trump couldn't resist himself and did that stupid handshake power-move he always pulls lol

Apparently at the time of this meeting they had only spoken in private for about 45 minutes so it's hard to say how much conversation outside of the initial meet and greets actually took place but no one is dead or arrested for human rights violations yet. So there's that.

It will be interesting to see what the documents they're signing actually lay out or if both sides had pre-planned demands/requests beforehand which could've been why the first meeting was so short.
It'll be hard to say what comes of any of this until Kim is back in his own country though since you can't exactly start throwing threats around when you're in such a precarious location.

Do you think this is just symbolic BS or will some good actually come of these talks?

[azrid]

The meeting was symbolic. I think during the press conference Trump said most of the discussion was done before behind the scenes and more will be done after.
I see this meeting as a sign of willingness to commit to bringing peace to the Korean peninsula.

[MagicManICT]

Perfectly fits the meaning of "Grand Gesture" IMO. Take a perfectly legit treaty and throw it out the window with the one hand while trying to bargain with someone that hasn't stepped to the table ever with the other....

Then again, Kim Jong Un has shown his love for celebrity with his meetings with former NBA player Dennis Rodman. Could be that celebrity appeal Kim likes about Trump, too. If that's what it took to get him to the table, then maybe electing Trump wasn't all bad.

Something will come of this, for sure. It might not be the ultimate goal this year, but as long as the talks end on a friendlier note than talks with the Kims in the past, it'll be a huge accomplishment, I think.

[CaddoPuma]

Of course it's a grand gesture. That's what President Trump has always been known for even before he entered politics. But it's a grand gesture no other President from any party has ever been able to achieve. That in itself is a great achievement. I'm not sure of which "perfectly legit" treaty you speak. Is it the one that allows Iran to continue and even increase nuclear weapons R&D (per the boxes of evidence acquired by Mossad and released by President Netinyahu)? Or the one that allows every country in the world to expand their industrial pollution a million fold, using US tax dollars, while forcing the US to return to horse-and-buggy days and pay the rest of the world to increase pollution?

[Kaios]

That discussion is taking place is always a good thing but let's not pretend Kim Jong Un isn't a horrible dictator holding an entire country captive. I don't think Trump has anything to do with bringing Kim Jong Un to the table, my understanding of it is that his nuclear test site was simply in such a state of decay that he decided to blow it up anyways and Trump is simply the benefactor of convenient timing.

I do think if some sort of agreement is to be made North Korea and Kim Jong Un have some serious concessions to make in order for that to happen but I just can't see him offering anything that would be of any real merit.

[Onep]

The real question here is how long until I can import a North Korean waifu? Trump will make anime real.

[jordancoles]

That discussion is taking place is always a good thing but let's not pretend Kim Jong Un isn't a horrible dictator holding an entire country captive. I don't think Trump has anything to do with bringing Kim Jong Un to the table, my understanding of it is that his nuclear test site was simply in such a state of decay that he decided to blow it up anyways and Trump is simply the benefactor of convenient timing.

I do think if some sort of agreement is to be made North Korea and Kim Jong Un have some serious concessions to make in order for that to happen but I just can't see him offering anything that would be of any real merit.

Yeah, I heard there were 2-3 nuclear test sites and that the one he closed down wasn't really in use anymore anyways because of a rockslide(?) that fucked it up beforehand.
It was a way for him to say "see?? I'm doing it!" without actually doing anything he wasn't already doing.

I agree with you about Trump not really having anything to do with the meeting. Sanctions must be hitting NK pretty hard right about now and by playing nice with SK and other former enemies he gets some wiggle-room for asking for aid. Even if the US meeting didn't go well, his talks with SK could've earned him some support in an attempt to keep their peace talks going.

One person in the comment section got mad because they called Kim a dictator which I thought was pretty funny. The reasoning was that they're negotiating and he didn't think it was right to put a bad label on him but like, you call a thief a thief and this is no different.

Another thing which Rick Santorum said which I actually agreed with (literally the only thing that he has ever said of value) was that this meeting told other smaller world leaders that all you need to do to get talks at the big boy table is to start creating nuclear weapons; a scary precedent to set

[shubla]

two fat nervous men in black suits doing 'politics'

[MagicManICT]

But it's a grand gesture no other President from any party has ever been able to achieve.

The very idea of a "grand gesture" is that it is empty and meaningless. If nothing constructive comes of it, what's the point of saying it's something no other president has done before? (I do hope something comes of it. The rest of the world needs to be denuclearized, too, and maybe this will encourage it... doubt it, but one can hope.)

two fat nervous men in black suits doing 'politics'

I wouldn't call either nervous. Egotistical asshats would be more accurate, but lulz at the thought.

[azrid]

Trump haters cry out in pain as peace is made.