The family model is changing.

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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby ven » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:43 am

Quality eggs are much more valuable though.
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby Jalpha » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:50 am

Because of their rarity or the additional cost of having it fertilized, implanted and grown in somebody?
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby ven » Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:56 am

Rarity and competition, I believe, since they come in single units and most people want eggs produced by tall, blonde, sane and ivy league educated women.
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby azrid » Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:46 am

Artificial wombs will make families obsolete.
New people will just get made when there is demand for population increase.
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby MagicManICT » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:05 pm

I don't know what the standards are in France today (I'm sure I could look them up), but my Grandparent's neighbor was a French lady whose first husband divorced her (or she divorced him... I don't remember the details of the story and it's been a long time). He was awarded custody on the basis, at that time, that men were more capable to take care of the children's because of financial reasons--men held the jobs, or at least the good paying ones.

In the US, women were awarded custody more often than not because they were the nurturers of the family and the men worked all day. This has saw a dramatic change over the last few decades. Joint custody where both parents share equal time is almost the standard now, and custody being awarded to one or the other parent being the exception.

Thus, the divorce part is in large part cultural.

shubla wrote:Same-sex relationships should be not publicly allowed. No children to them either.

You're quite welcome to move to a country like Afghanistan where Sharia law is still practiced. Heck, even in Egypt, I just saw a news blurb about a couple of men being arrested and sentenced to a few years in prison just for waving the gay pride flag at a concert.

Oh, and just to note, it IS ok to not be married. Unless you're a hardline Catholic or Muslim, there is nothing commanding you to be married and have children... unless tax incentives are enough to say "get married so you can save a few thousand on taxes a year." (US tax law for you.)

Jalpha wrote: there is IVF and surrogacy, its just expensive. Arguably this is a good thing from a hitleresque mindset because it exchanges survival of the fittest for survival of the most financially successful, which seems to be the only trait that matters in society today so...

"Survival of the fittest" does mean the species or organism that is most capable of providing for reproduction is the ones most likely to propagate. The wealthy has been in this position since mankind evolved enough to organize anything higher than a hunter-gatherer civilization.

Potjeh wrote:How is removal of alimony a step backwards? There is no good reason for it exist. It's like if you quit your job your employer has to keep paying you wages.

It's an anti-divorce law. Men are less likely to just dump a wife if they're going to have to pony up a big chunk of their income every month. After a certain point, it is total bullshit as a woman is perfectly capable of returning to work if she was a stay at home wife. And if she wants to continue the "housemaker" type lifestyle after a divorce, I guess she needs to figure out a way to meet someone else after a year or two and marry them, not drag out alimony payments until someone's dead at 80. The arguments for it outweigh the arguments against, but just barely, in my non-legal opinion.

azrid wrote:Artificial wombs will make families obsolete.

Read the Dune novels and look for the group called the Bene Tleilax with their axlotl tanks. Bit of a spoiler, but I don't think I'm giving any real information away.... There's not a female one in their society. (Those that have read all the novels know why... those that have read the originals probably have a clue, but don't know for sure.)
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby Potjeh » Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:33 pm

Why would men just randomly divorce their wives? Alimony on the other hand provides a clear financial incentive to get divorced when you combine it with various single parent tax and welfare benefits. And when you subsidize something like that you tend to get a lot of it.

But most importantly, being able to drop just the costs of a contract but still keep the benefits is a retarded concept and would cause total collapse if applied in any sector of economy.

But anyway, I don't think traditional family is going anywhere. This new concept kills birthrates, so cultures that practice it will be displaced by more traditional cultures with higher birth rates.
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby iamahh » Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:40 pm

some of my favorite people in the world are gay and living with same sex companion... so even tho my background is religious I think they must get more respect

i hear all the time gay support in the form of "if they like to take in the asshole let them", as if this was purely a physical thing... but as you get older and close to the emptiness of life, you realize the physical part is nothing, it's a detail... the company, the sharing of happy moments, this is the key...

it's a paradox the more materialistic humanity gets, the more urgent is to be happy, the more subtle our understanding of what is love and the importance of being a good person... and the more you set your faith in stone, the more rigid you get about everything, the more you project your own pain to others and make the world a tougher place...
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby MrPunchers » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:29 pm

*cough* Genocide based on Eugenics *cough cough*
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby Zampfeo » Tue Nov 28, 2017 3:50 pm

I've never heard of a single woman buying sperm in order to be a single mother. If that's true, they're probably batshit and in for a world of hurt.
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Re: The family model is changing.

Postby Flamewolf50 » Tue Nov 28, 2017 5:56 pm

Woah Shubla, once you get your Finnish Eugenics Department off the ground could you hook me up with a job? Thanks in advance.
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