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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby MagicManICT » Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:46 am

I ran across something a while back that said it'd cost an average social media user like $15 a year for an account, one that wouldn't need to rely on advertising and scamming the users with "free" access.

But as for some poster's naivete here... boy, are you in for a rude awakening.
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby Pan_w_okularach » Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:12 am

i wonder how much data are J&L collecting on us :|
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby drakesaint » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:09 am

Oh noes, someone has been too much on Reddit to read all those posts about how Net Neutrality is such a wonderful thing and now the internet is gone because the FCC has declared war on the internet oh noes...
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby sMartins » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:18 am

shubla wrote:but who cares about information, its mostly just used for advertising so they dont advertise new running shoes for someone who does not have legs.

Naive .... this is related to the talks about Tecnique in our era and Nihilism I tried to discuss previously on this forum.
Informations are the most powerfull weapons and they are used to rule the population.
It's the first time in our history where the ability we have to do/to make is much larger than the ability to predict, politics are dead cause they, to decide, look at the finance, and the finance to decide look at the technological resources .... we have no clue of what we are doing, we are moving in the dark, totally blind like Blind Man's Bluff.
Tecnique don't care about humans at all, but just about itself ... everything that can be done will happen ..... max results with the least effort, humans are already outside of the game and this is very bad and dangerous.
And also democracy is dead ... population have no skills at all to choose if a nuclear power plant, for example, is good or bad, you need a nuclear engineer for that ... so people choose on the feelings they have for that canditate or the other, if they like it or not ... and when decisions are made on irrational bases, that means democracy is dead.
In short, our future is very unpredictable. ( and this is related to nihilism ... but it's a long story ...)

P.S. Philosophers are telling us about this since more than a century ... and we are just starting to understand now ...
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby Pan_w_okularach » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:30 am

drakesaint wrote:Oh noes, someone has been too much on Reddit to read all those posts about how Net Neutrality is such a wonderful thing and now the internet is gone because the FCC has declared war on the internet oh noes...

are you a member of the alt-right?
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby ecco » Fri Dec 15, 2017 11:44 am

Pan_w_okularach wrote:
drakesaint wrote:Oh noes, someone has been too much on Reddit to read all those posts about how Net Neutrality is such a wonderful thing and now the internet is gone because the FCC has declared war on the internet oh noes...

are you a member of the alt-right?

to be honest, even actual alt-right people would want to keep net neutrality because a lot of the sites they use to communicate with each other are smaller scale. the only people who don't want it are blind-following Republicans that just hate anything that gets labeled "progressive"
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby iamahh » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:14 pm

changes are going so fast the next generation won't even remember nowadays issues... for example, young americans may know their grandparents could buy a house with any simple job, didn't need no PhD in Getting Mad, but this is far in the past now... things change too fast to care...

my first ISP was way before google, they let you do anything with your connection, this is probably not possible anymore, if you want to do anything a little different with your internet connection you may have to ask your ISP or just forget about it...

people should start working on granting legal grounds for "alternative internets", based on Mesh networks, wireless p2p, whatever bull, as hardware evolves will be easier to build even temporary "internets" created for small time spans... AI could take care of a network of networks, using mobile phones and home routers... what really needs to be addressed is the legal grounds to keep this possible...
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby NOOBY93 » Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:35 pm

loftar wrote:
The_Blode wrote:oh shit it's 2007 now quick everyone make a facebook and put as much of your information and your family's information online

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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby shubla » Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:42 pm

iamahh wrote:, they let you do anything with your connection, this is probably not possible anymore, if you want to do anything a little different with your internet connection you may have to ask your ISP or just forget about it...

I wonder what you mean by this.
At least in Finland you can do anything with your internet connection, except of course illegal stuff, like using it to dos somebody or something.

sMartins wrote: politics are dead

When were politics alive?
In 60's before the internet? Or in 15th century when people barely knew who was their king and relations of countries were mostly based on marriages?
Same with democracy, when did it work?

. for example, young americans may know their grandparents could buy a house with any simple job

Mostly because expenses back then were: food, more food, maybe some soap once a month. I dont know about US but at least in Finland you cant just go and buy a house, there are lot of laws and rules related to building. Where you can build, what you can build and how and so on. Even if you dont have any restrictions on building in "the land of freedom", you probably still build your houses with more expensive materials and more features than back in your grandparents days. Also more and more people want to live in cities, where of course its more expensive, because when many people want to live exactly in the same area, price of land goes up.
Because there are more expenses and stuff, cost of labor has also gone up which causes building houses to be more expensive, as building a house requires lot of work-hours, from various professionals even, as you have to wire electricity and build pipes for water and stuff.
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Re: america is getting cut out of the internet

Postby sMartins » Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:14 pm

shubla wrote:When were politics alive?
In 60's before the internet? Or in 15th century when people barely knew who was their king and relations of countries were mostly based on marriages?
Same with democracy, when did it work?


I see what you mean ... but it's not related with what I'm saying ... it's hard to explain for me ...
So, it's not important if politics, etc ... were bad or good and so on ... the point is that they always were driven by men ideas ... some great, some bad ... that is unavoidable and it's part of the progress we made.
For example, marriages, like you said, were just tools to realize men ideas .... idk peace with that country, etc.. etc.. there was a human perspective behind that.

Right now in the odiern era, the tecnique era, it's not anymore like that, politics are driven by finance, and finance is driven by tecnique.
We are slowly becoming just functionary of apparatuses ... the responsability of our actions is translated to whoever give us orders, our boss, leader, etc ... the men are judged only if they are efficient or not ... right now you are a good man if you do well your job, if you are efficient ... but it's not important what your job consist of ... untill during the week you do well your job, you are a good man for the standards ... what you do in your free time it's not important to qualify you as a man.
To the extreme, just to explain, when a Journalist interviewed the Enola Gay pilot, that dropped the atomic bomb over Hiroshima, he asked to him: "What you felt when you were doing that?" .... the pilot was not understanding the question and he simply said: " What should I feel ... nothing, that was my job"
(I translated pretty much what was the interview .. so probably it's very bad English, but try to understand what I'm saying).
So he was a very good pilot, cause he was efficient, he dropped the bomb exactly on the target and not in the sea ... he was good.
Same thing could be said, for example, here in Italy we have a grenades and military weapon industry ... their workers are good if they make well grenades.
And so on ... financial agents that are condemning to death whole countries, or banks agents, etc .. etc ...
We don't have any ethics that correspond to our era, cause again our ability to predict and to think at the consequences of our actions is way lower that the ability we have to create new technologies ... we are totally blind ... this is the drama of the technique era. We are just developing ( new tecnologies , etc...) but not progressing as well as humans being.
This is the logic of tecnique, and of our era ... max results, with the least effort ... everything else doesn't matter anymore.
Hope you can understand anything of what I said ... lol :D

P.S. Also I 'd like to add that we are not free to choose, I mean, we are, but then you have to pay the price of the social exclusion.
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