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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby NOOBY93 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 8:33 pm

shubla wrote:In Finland, we celebrate almost all of the events on the day before the actual day, on the eve.
Im not sure why, I guess that then we can have the 1 day holiday on the actual day to recover from the hangover.
Its the same with christmas.

I have also noticed that I do not like christmas.

Few days of public holiday is always nice, but other than that, its actually pretty stupid.

God when will you grow out of the edge? It has to happen someday. How is people chilling, eating food, hanging out and enjoying themselves stupid? What isn't stupid to you? What is your definition of good fun?
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby jordancoles » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:20 am

NOOBY93 wrote:What is your definition of good fun?


Edit: Removed my comment cuz Christmas thread isn't the place to call Shubla a shitter
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby shubla » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:36 am

NOOBY93 wrote:
shubla wrote:In Finland, we celebrate almost all of the events on the day before the actual day, on the eve.
Im not sure why, I guess that then we can have the 1 day holiday on the actual day to recover from the hangover.
Its the same with christmas.

I have also noticed that I do not like christmas.

Few days of public holiday is always nice, but other than that, its actually pretty stupid.

God when will you grow out of the edge? It has to happen someday. How is people chilling, eating food, hanging out and enjoying themselves stupid? What isn't stupid to you? What is your definition of good fun?

When you really think about it, christmas sucks.
Its stupid because they are enjoying themselves in the cost of others.
Giving gifts that have been produced by underpaid child-labor in third world countries, with the cost of making our planet last just a little bit less.
Some old people for example have to spend their christmas alone, which can be quite sad when you think about it. So its not enjoying and hanging out with friends and family for all.
Eating lot of unhealthy things. Some fun could probably be had without eating those things, giving all those gifts.
There are many reasons more, but those are just to mention a few.

Maybe in a few years I will accept the fact that I have born as a privileged human being in one of the best countries in the world and stop caring about other people or people of the future who have things a lot worse, and only start thinking about things that make me feel good, no matter the cost for others.
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby jordancoles » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:59 am

We didn't do Christmas this year for a few reasons, the main one being that we're poor students lol
It's really stressful for a lot of people because of all of the social pressures attached to it. People feel obligated to get Christmas cards/gifts for x, y and z, and once it's all over the timer is started again for the next year.

Our family knows we're broke but they were legit offended that we didn't get anyone anything this year despite not asking for anything ourselves, so that shit is really ingrained in our culture :roll:
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby shubla » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:53 pm

jordancoles wrote:Our family knows we're broke but they were legit offended that we didn't get anyone anything this year despite not asking for anything ourselves, so that shit is really ingrained in our culture :roll:

Partly proves my point.
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:58 pm

shubla wrote:When you really think about it, christmas sucks.
Its stupid because they are enjoying themselves in the cost of others.
Giving gifts that have been produced by underpaid child-labor in third world countries, with the cost of making our planet last just a little bit less.
Some old people for example have to spend their christmas alone, which can be quite sad when you think about it. So its not enjoying and hanging out with friends and family for all.
Eating lot of unhealthy things. Some fun could probably be had without eating those things, giving all those gifts.
There are many reasons more, but those are just to mention a few.

Maybe in a few years I will accept the fact that I have born as a privileged human being in one of the best countries in the world and stop caring about other people or people of the future who have things a lot worse, and only start thinking about things that make me feel good, no matter the cost for others.

Firstly, didn't you legit imply a couple of months ago in some discussion that you don't give a shit about underprivileged people as long as the first worlders are having a good time?

Secondly, you're generalizing. This christmas I got an italian perfume, an english chess set and norwegian money. Which of these are third world countries?

Eating unhealthy? Making our planet last a little bit less? What are you talking about?

Also, the old people argument is not an argument at all. "having a good time sucks because there are poor people who aren't having a good time", go be a monk then.

jordancoles wrote:We didn't do Christmas this year for a few reasons, the main one being that we're poor students lol
It's really stressful for a lot of people because of all of the social pressures attached to it. People feel obligated to get Christmas cards/gifts for x, y and z, and once it's all over the timer is started again for the next year.

Our family knows we're broke but they were legit offended that we didn't get anyone anything this year despite not asking for anything ourselves, so that shit is really ingrained in our culture :roll:

In my family only the brother and father gifted the rest of us gifts because they make good money, nobody else has anything and nobody felt pressured to give anything. I think both of you generalize way too much, it's not a shitty holiday, you just have shitty friends and family if they get offended you didn't get them anything.
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby shubla » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:11 pm

NOOBY93 wrote:
Firstly, didn't you legit imply a couple of months ago in some discussion that you don't give a shit about underprivileged people as long as the first worlders are having a good time?

Secondly, you're generalizing. This christmas I got an italian perfume, an english chess set and norwegian money. Which of these are third world countries?

Eating unhealthy? Making our planet last a little bit less? What are you talking about?

Also, the old people argument is not an argument at all. "having a good time sucks because there are poor people who aren't having a good time", go be a monk then.


Making our planet last a little bit less? What are you talking about?

Your italian parfume did not magically appear and teleport to your house. All the things had to be manufactured and transported, consuming natural resources which we are running out of. There is also a high chance that at least the bottle of your italian parfume was actually not made in Italy, but in some cheaper country.

Also, the old people argument is not an argument at all. "

Its not only the old people, but also people that are ill, lonely or poor. Christmas is not even celebrated in majority of the world, which is partly caused by the few that spend christmas.
having a good time sucks because there are poor people who aren't having a good time", go be a monk then.

Issue is not that you could not have fun time if others are not having fun time. But you are causing bad time for others by having fun time. That is the problem.
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby NOOBY93 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:17 pm

shubla wrote:Issue is not that you could not have fun time if others are not having fun time. But you are causing bad time for others by having fun time. That is the problem.

Simply by existing in a good country, you're being a parasite to people the country is abusing and profiting from. Enjoying christmas does not increase that, unless you're a big spender or punch homeless people as a tradition. If you don't want to be a parasite to poor people, kill yourself or go live as a nomad. Otherwise, whether or not you celebrate Christmas is the same.
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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby Amanda44 » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:27 pm

I understand where both of you are coming from, Shubla and Jordan, a few years back I got annoyed about how commercial Christmas has become and the amount of money it can cost, I have to say at this point that I'm not religious, but, I respect the meaning it has for many others and that was part of what caused me to get annoyed about it, along with the expense of gifts, esp for children and also as Shubla has mentioned the fact that we stuff ourselves stupid with food, a lot of which gets wasted, when there are others in the world dying of starvation.

So, I made a decision not to do Christmas, I told everyone way in advance, like in June, that I wasn't doing it, wouldn't be buying any presents and didn't want anyone to buy anything for me. I explained my reasons and kept on about it for the whole rest of the year, a lot of friends and family even agreed with me, then Christmas arrived and absolutely no-one had respected my wishes and they had all bought me presents and my boss at the time even turned up at my house with a Christmas dinner all plated up.

I felt dreadful, I felt guilty, upset and angry and also embarrassed ... it is so ingrained in our society as Jordan says.

Since then I now look at it differently, as a child you are hopefully always with your family and loved ones but most of us as adults have moved on, have our own lives, are busy with our own families, work and social lives and can unintentionally neglect our closest family. For me, Christmas is now a time when I have days off of work, can relax and spend time with those who matter the most, I can decorate my house with pretty things, buy gifts for the ppl I care about (which don't have to cost a fortune, I tend to buy a lot of local hand-crafted goods as they usually mean more to ppl than the standard gift items ... obviously not for kids, lol) and it's a chance to show them that I do think about them and am grateful for them.

And there are things you can do for others or those less fortunate or alone, I spend all year doing charitable events, I do a lot of sponsored events such as walks, bike rides, swims ... and a friend of mine owns a catering business and every Christmas (and at other times of the year) she cooks meals for people who are alone and delivers them, all free of charge ofc, I help her with that as do some of our other friends. My brother, before he died, used to cook and deliver dinners to ppl in his neighbourhood who he knew were alone at Christmas and another friend of mine has a gardening business and he and his wife invite all the old people he knows are alone to their house on the 26th and cook another Christmas dinner, those who won't or are unable to attend they also deliver it to them and sit and spend time with them, so, it's not just about being greedy or selfish, it's what you make it yourself, it's about family and friends and sharing with others and that makes it ok as far as I'm concerned. :)

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Re: Merry Christmas!

Postby shubla » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:30 pm

NOOBY93 wrote:
shubla wrote:Issue is not that you could not have fun time if others are not having fun time. But you are causing bad time for others by having fun time. That is the problem.

Simply by existing in a good country, you're being a parasite to people the country is abusing and profiting from. Enjoying christmas does not increase that, unless you're a big spender or punch homeless people as a tradition. If you don't want to be a parasite to poor people, kill yourself or go live as a nomad. Otherwise, whether or not you celebrate Christmas is the same.

Its not the same.
Christmas is the biggest consuming season of the year (in western countries, that is). Saying that it does not matter whether people spend christmas or not, thats bullshit.

Im talking about ethical things of christmas and impacts of that massive capitalist shitfest on the people of world and environment/our planet.
And the discussion ends up in the fact that I should just kill myself for world to be a better place.
This shows how ignorant and stupid most people are.
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