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Re: Invasion How?

Postby AntiBlitz » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:26 am

i think what he is getting at is, if there wasnt any scents of vandalism, then they had permission to vandalize. So either they had permissions set through village claim, personal claim, or someone gave them party permission. Therefore it was scentless and no actual crime was committed. Which wouldnt harm the village shield anyways.
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Re: Invasion How?

Postby Lunarius_Haberdash » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:55 am

AntiBlitz wrote:i think what he is getting at is, if there wasnt any scents of vandalism, then they had permission to vandalize. So either they had permissions set through village claim, personal claim, or someone gave them party permission. Therefore it was scentless and no actual crime was committed. Which wouldnt harm the village shield anyways.


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Re: Invasion How?

Postby AntiBlitz » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:29 am

theyd be orange if they were vandalism.
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Re: Invasion How?

Postby spawningmink » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:08 pm

yo message me and I can TOTALLY help you with this situation
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Re: Invasion How?

Postby DreadDawson » Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:31 am

Probably through a minehole that wasn't properly gated.
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Re: Invasion How?

Postby DaniAngione » Mon Jan 01, 2018 6:58 am

There are hundreds of ways it could have happened, yes.
Some of them are confusing mechanics, some are exploits, some are known bugs/issues that were never fixed, etc... But in essence, there's usually somewhere where you might have failed with security.

i.e.:
If the claim ends on the same tile as the walls (that is, the claim doesn't go beyond the walls), there are ways you can abuse this;
If there was any gap inside the claim, even inside the walls, there are ways this can be abused;
If any mineholes were not protected/secured properly, there are ways this can be abused
If you use field cairns, there might be a chance some of them were exploitable (like a field cairn that covers a wall and has vandalism for whites;)
If there are p-claims touching/covering walls, it's also possible that perms came from them and/or if the player was inactive (for example) it could've run out of Presence;
Finally, I've even seen some people mess up with village perms and let a wall fall by accident :(

And as people mentioned, there are tons of other possibilities, from ill intended or misinformed villagers to... things beyond :D
For example, there was a hermit near us that was raided when a "friendly neighbor" PM'd him and innocently asked for party perms "really quick" to "fix a road". Yes, raiders can be that cheap - but it's also our responsibility to watch out for those things.

So... What I mean is: I'm sorry it happened but there are so many ways that it could've happened that the only way to truly be able to figure it out is if we get a bit more of information, especially screenshots of the breached points (with visible claims) :D

If you'd prefer, you can send them through PMs and I can take a look :D
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