Are there any MMOs on steam with infinite level cap?

[sMartins]

And why do the strongest factions not dominate the servers completely and ROFL-stomp everyone else?

Probably cause the game is not free to play? I'll try to ask here and there ....

EDIT: for now you can read this: https://www.wurmpedia.com/index.php/Mas ... ide_to_PvP
Probably this is the key: "Raids = A quick attack on a small village, pull the guards, drain the token, take what you can before the guards respawn", while to take down the whole village the effort will be much expensive ... yeah it's not a bad idea, something in between, a timeframe when you can do damage to your enemy but not wiping it entirely from the world.

[shubla]

Wurm has more mature players than HnH at least.

I think that in wurm travelling and things like that are more difficult and dangerous than in HnH for example. Or at least I got constantly mauled by huge spiders and bears when I used to play it.
In HnH you can quickly click yourself around and kill all noobs.
In wurm you play from first person, thus requiring more attention/focus and you also walk quite slowly if you have any gear/stuff in your inventory. Compared to one that doesnt have any on.
I think that overall there are less hermits in wurm as well, people from big villages and play a lot, which makes raiding them difficult.
In HnH there are more casual players, in wurm its all about the grind, so most players really play 8 hours a day.

[jordancoles]

In wurm you play from first person, thus requiring more attention/focus and you also walk quite slowly if you have any gear/stuff in your inventory. Compared to one that doesnt have any on.
I think that overall there are less hermits in wurm as well, people from big villages and play a lot, which makes raiding them difficult.
In HnH there are more casual players, in wurm its all about the grind, so most players really play 8 hours a day.

Sounds like trash

[Astarisk]

In wurm you play from first person, thus requiring more attention/focus and you also walk quite slowly if you have any gear/stuff in your inventory. Compared to one that doesnt have any on.
I think that overall there are less hermits in wurm as well, people from big villages and play a lot, which makes raiding them difficult.
In HnH there are more casual players, in wurm its all about the grind, so most players really play 8 hours a day.

Sounds like trash

Oh yeah, I played wurm for a bit of time and the grind between hafen and wurm is like night and day. Wurm is so damn bad, and the worst part of it all is you are just interacting with with text and everything. It follows the mantra of gaining stats by doing the same task over and over and over and over. Thankfully they let you make hotkeys and macro, so it evolves into muscle memory and watching youtube.... Furthermore since the game was so tedious, you could easily find work in it as a new player. You got paid by action so to speak. What I mean by that is you are paid by click. Furthermore there is always a chance to fail an action in wurm, and this used up material and time. It is truly a grindy grindy game.

[Onep]

So sounds to me that you need to crank up the tedium™ factor high enough to drive off the casuals so the big nerds have no one to bully? Interesting.

[MagicManICT]

Wurm is what? 15 year old now? 20? I forget release date without looking but know it wasn't long after EQ, and about same time as EVE. MMOs were still mostly little more than graphical MUDs until EVE and Dark Age of Camelot, ie everything in text/chat was at least as important as what was on the screen.

[Astarisk]

So sounds to me that you need to crank up the tedium™ factor high enough to drive off the casuals so the big nerds have no one to bully? Interesting.

Yeah, wurm takes a lot of commitment to play, and most of the people who do play are there for hardcore long term building projects. Nothing in wurm is cheap / easy / quick to build. It also has a small enough community that you don't want to make enemies right off the bat. Since you can't do everything yourself do to the massive grind, it would be a real shame to have the the top skilled blacksmith be pissed off at you. Friends make your life a whole lot easier in that regards. I had a load of help when I played just by being friendly and active. The grind sure as hell will weed out the weak.

[ricky]

If you're looking for a FPS, PlanetSide 2 is pretty robust. You don't have levels per se, but you have a very large tech tree to upgrade for 5 classes.

They actually introduced a new "class specialization", which is essentially grind to the max. After you hit Max battle rank you may reset to level 1 and choose a specialization, then another at level 50

That's not even mentioning all the vehicles you can upgrade.

[shubla]

So sounds to me that you need to crank up the tedium™ factor high enough to drive off the casuals so the big nerds have no one to bully? Interesting.

I think that is what wurm basically does, yes.

When you gain skills, the grind gets a bit easier. Of course there will still be a lot of it, but you might be able to succesfully craft a board after only 3 attempts, instead of 20!

Also! In wurm, to own a "claim" that protects land from other players, you have to pay upkeep of your claim by coins. You can in theory trade with other players to earn these coins, but this is not possible, except if you are very highly skilled in some trade.
The coins can also be bought with real money, and this is what most people do to pay their claims upkeep.
Thus you also dont get some troll claims, because no one wants to pay for their upkeep.

Also characters have quite low skill cap if you dont have subscription. So there are not that many alts. Of course there are some, but not as many as in HnH for example.
And when players have to pay to have alts, alts really are not a problem, but a good thing, as it means more income.

Griefing others is much more difficult too. In HnH, you can build a palisade around some noobs place in few hours.
In wurm, even with a highly skilled character, building a small wall around some small place would be a huge project, and take weeks.

[Potjeh]

And that's pretty much why I quit Wurm on the second day.