Human Population Through Time

[Jalpha]

I believe that having children later in life has worthwhile benefits like a more stable mind and lifestyle. Then there is the wisdom of years. Then there is epigenetics helping us evolve toward a longer lifespan.

We can go back. Like I said I see that as the most likely possibility. However going back would mean the end of our civilisation and giving up on a wonderous potential future.

[sMartins]

Epigenetics .... god ...
It's not important what we feel more comfortable or not, doesn't work like that .... we are NOT gods!

I'll give you just a quick absurd example, that may looks not relevant but it is:

So, here am I, Italian citizien, in the west, I will open my fridge if I'm hungry, I use my car if I want to move, I use my computer and so on.
Here he is, a midle east shepherd, that every morning wake up at sunrise to bring his goats to the pasture, walk to the river if he's thirsty, and plants his own vegetables in the garden.

Now, what happens if one day, I let to your imagination ( WW3, oil run off, civil war, etc... whatever you choose), ok, now what happen if electricity run off in our main cities? Food go waste in a week .... with millions and millions of people in the same place, no foods, no water and all that people. Again I let to your imagination.

What happen instead at the middle east shepherd? everything is always the same for him, he doesn't even have electricity, and like everyday he will take care of his goats and go to the river when he is thirsty.

What scare me the most, it's we are becoming all the same, diversity is not part of tecnique's plans.
Tecnique wants us all the same, efficient, perfection, like machines, but we are not ants nor machines, we are humans.

EDIT: Movie reccomendation about that topic: The world's end - Edgar Wright

[Jalpha]

Sure. If something happens there will be a zombie hoarde leaving the cities. The people in the country will slaughter them. Best not to let that happen. Too much relies on chance and the odds are stacked against us.

Not everyone can be a shepherd growing their own vegetables. Besides, we've beat that horse for tens of thousands of years. The horse is dead now. The time is now to try for something better. Problem is the people running the machine are old and stupid with no imagination and a head full of jealousy.

There just isn't room for everyone to live the simple life.

[sMartins]

I'm not saying we should all be shepherds,but the opposite, I'm saying that diversity is the key of life and nature, and doesn't matter what we may think or not, it's better we respect it, for our own good.
While our actual vision of the world kills every specificity, every diversity.

EDIT: and when I talk about diversity I'm not meaning gay, femminism or those bullshits .... I mean human cultures and life in general.

[Potjeh]

Nah, the Middle East shepherd will die sooner because global warming is expanding deserts and his river will run dry.

[sMartins]

Nah, the Middle East shepherd will die sooner because global warming is expanding deserts and his river will run dry.

eheheh , that's true ..... but I wouldn't be completly sure tho, those people are there since forever pretty much they know their stuff ehehe

[Potjeh]

Yeah but forever ago even Sahara was a lush grassland. The enviroment has only been better in the past, and it's only getting worse.

[wonder-ass]

at 2100 11 billion is bullshit tbh. 11billion from people in the east sure but west is more inclined to control over population where as india doesnt give a shit.

[jorb]

I believe that having children later in life has worthwhile benefits like a more stable mind and lifestyle. Then there is the wisdom of years.

You only mature yourself precisely by having children of your own, which is why declining fertility is certainly a part of the reason why so much of the western world is stuck in a mindset of permanent adolescence, not to mention the fact that female fertility rates start dropping sharply even in the mid to late twenties, so supposedly rational "family planning" quickly and often devolves into a mad scramble to breed in a test tube before the biological window definitely shuts.

Large, young families close to God are the success recipe for any culture of and with vitality. Family planning and contraception are peddled to you by merchants of death, and the scientific rationalism of the west is a cultural dead end.

[Potjeh]

If you're gonna have kids you need to leave them a patch of land to live on. Unfortunately all the land is owned by corporations, and all people can leave their kids is debt. I think it's immoral to have a child when so unable to care for it and give it a decent start in life. God or culture have fuck all to do with it, the late stage capitalism is the true cancer on societies.