Salem store vs Hafen store which does it better?

[Kaios]

Salem still exists? But....why?

Idk I am still banned from their forum, the devs are still completely inactive and useless and the lame ass moderators (probably just Dallane) always delete my posts when I try to troll a bit even tho that forum is boring as hell otherwise.

[Jalpha]

Salem forum moderators be all like:

[MagicManICT]

ArcheAge. I didn't dive into BDO too much, but the store is somewhat limited in comparison.

still, If you have to buy shit and can't grind for it, it's p2w. If you can at least trade or grind for it, you can call it p2w, but it really isn't. It just shows you're lazy or cheap. (I'll agree that there are limits to how much grind a person is willing to do before it goes from "reasonable" to "stupid and tedious.")

[VDZ]

ArcheAge. I didn't dive into BDO too much, but the store is somewhat limited in comparison.

still, If you have to buy shit and can't grind for it, it's p2w. If you can at least trade or grind for it, you can call it p2w, but it really isn't. It just shows you're lazy or cheap. (I'll agree that there are limits to how much grind a person is willing to do before it goes from "reasonable" to "stupid and tedious.")

Grind is more than effort. Grind is also time. If there is any element of competition, someone progressing faster than another player by paying real money is paying to win. You can put in extra effort, but you cannot somehow put in more time to achieve the same results by the same time as a paying player. 'Grinding' and 'paying' are not mutually exclusive; while a 'paying but not grinding' player may be on an equal level as a 'grinding but not paying' player, a 'paying and grinding player' will have better results than either of them, and nothing the grinding player does will allow him to catch up with the paying player.