america and guns

[Trappin]

Nice faux edit, Jordan. I'm ascared of 'merca!

If it weren't for British raids, we'd probably not have taken up arms, but you know the king and his tax collectors....

My family have been killing Krauts since the Battle of Trenton, again in 1919 and then again in 1944-45.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_(soldier)

[shubla]

Well I avoid cars, being in them, or close to them. Buses are ok and trains, as they are a lot safer.

Even though you can kill people with cars, primary usage of cars is to not kill people, so its different.
With guns the primary usage is to kill people, with maybe exception of some hunting rifles, which are primarily used for hunting other animals.

With cars you can not get to all places, cars are loud, even while not killing people, and easy to spot, which makes them harder to use.
But with guns... Anyone could have a gun, if gun regulations are lack, they are easy to hide so you can walk to almost any place with one, and they can kill far more people a lot quicker than cars, and they have a good range too. From cars you can run away and hide very easily after you spot them, but with guns, you are out of luck. They can shoot you from far away and get to the place where you are hiding even if you run away.

[Trappin]

Disingenuous claptrap. I might be inclined to give a fuck about what some Euro or Canadian thinks if they in past comments had shown America and Americans courtesy - even a sliver of a sliver of respect. But that just doesn't happen. Not here. Europeans here are more concerned with inflating their own sense of themselves and their country of birth. Ego wankers.Ego before honesty. There's no introspection. It's simply internet bullying.

So, please tell me your thoughts on the following topics:

1) Immigration.
2) Gun control.
3) Abortion.
3) The electoral college.
4) Mormons, Jews and baptists and why religion sucks.
5) Trump (feel free to dump on Obama, Clinton, Bush and Reagan)
6) Republicans, democrats and libertarians and why they suck compared to European political parties.
7) The parliamentarian system versus democratic republicanism IE; the American bicameral system.
8) How awesome it is to live in Sweden versus someplace not ice cold 4 months out of the year, for instance, America.
9) Slavery, The War Between the States and variations on the myth of the Lost Cause and;
10) American Indians and genocide.
11) Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemmings.
12) Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
13) Dresden and the Battle (bombing) of Hamburg.
14) Why Stalin is better man than George Washington.
15) Fascism in the US (while willfully ignoring fascist Italy, Germany, Finland, Bosnia, Romania &c &c &c.
16) White nationalists in South Carolina and Trump. And;
17) Why violence committed by radical leftist European Black Bloc is okay.
18) The genetic differences between white Americans and white Europeans and why Euro DNA is superior.
19) Endless harping goes here.
20) The 1964 civil rights bill (why Barry Goldwater sux)

[jordancoles]

Disingenuous claptrap. I might be inclined to give a fuck about what some Euro or Canadian thinks if they in past comments had shown America and Americans courtesy - even a sliver of a sliver of respect.

What parts do you want us to respect? And why do we have to gush over you and your country before you'll care?

[Granger]

Disingenuous claptrap. I might be inclined to give a fuck about what some American thinks if they in past had shown courtesy - even a sliver of a sliver of respect. But that just doesn't happen. Not here. American here are more concerned with inflating their own sense of themselves and their country of birth. Ego wankers.Ego before honesty. There's no introspection. It's simply bullying.

After a little modification this basically is how many view America (USofA).

So, please tell me your thoughts on the following topics:

Sure

1) Immigration.

Unavoidable in case you want to have cheap labor, but not do it yourself.

2) Gun control.

Would have been a good idea.

3) Abortion.

No problem.

3) The electoral college.

Designed to prevent the people from electing 'unwanted' (to the powers that be) people.

4) Mormons, Jews and baptists and why religion sucks.

Any religion that imposes values onto others is evil.

5) Trump (feel free to dump on Obama, Clinton, Bush and Reagan)

Hahaha.

6) Republicans, democrats and libertarians and why they suck compared to European political parties.

US has a one-party system that just exposes different colors to the outside, to give the illusion of choice.
Europe is basically nearing the same, just with more colors.

7) The parliamentarian system versus democratic republicanism IE; the American bicameral system.

Representative democracy makes corruption easy, looking at who's sitting in congress and house it's basically representatives of the 1%, busy getting more money for the re-election.

8) How awesome it is to live in Sweden versus someplace not ice cold 4 months out of the year, for instance, America.

Winters in Sweden might suck, nice nature there though.

9) Slavery, The War Between the States and variations on the myth of the Lost Cause and;

Evil, was a commercial difference, idiots.

12) Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

War crimes: bombing civillians, with nuclear weapons, after the japaneese gouvernment had repeatedly tried to surrender - which was ignored by the USA.

13) Dresden and the Battle (bombing) of Hamburg.

War crimes: bombing civillians.

14) Why Stalin is better man than George Washington.

Who had that idea?

15) Fascism in the US (while willfully ignoring fascist Italy, Germany, Finland, Bosnia, Romania &c &c &c.

Would be more the fascists in the US financing and organizing the fascists in Europe.

16) White nationalists in South Carolina and Trump. And;

Idiots.

17) Why violence committed by radical leftist European Black Bloc is okay.

Who claims this?

18) The genetic differences between white Americans and white Europeans and why Euro DNA is superior.

Who claims this?

[MagicManICT]

To note: most of us would like to see a lot of government services shut down... just in a manner more conducive to a productive society, not in ways that cause economies to collapse.

Can that be parsed as get rid of overboarding military expenses and do stuff that actually benefits the people instead or is this more toward the shortsighted I got mine, fuck you stance that sadly seems to be on the rise in many places?

I'm not saying that, but... you know. I'm all for contributing military strength to the UN, NATO, and other allies, but do we need so many military bases scattered all over the place? I know it's pushed as a jobs issue, but.... I think there could be better things to spend money on that generate just as many jobs.

I don't know how you Americans can feel safe walking around public places knowing how many guns are around you at all times. Pair that with the overpriced healthcare and the lack of coverage for mental health issues and I think I would just become a basement dweller because of it all.

It's been a while since "Bowling for Columbine" came out, but one of the points that Moore brought up was that other countries have as many guns per capita as the US, but a tenth of the gun violence. (I haven't looked up stats in a while on all of this, so... don't take what I say as any estimation of accuracy.)

The prospect of getting cancer and dying a slow, painful death is actually somewhat more concerning than any of the above stuff - especially if you've watched a friend or family member wither away and die.

not sure which is worse, cancer or Alzheimer's. At least cancer is relatively fast, and you die with your faculties intact. Watching two family members wither away and slowly die from something like just forgetting how to swallow is just terrible. (to note: before my grandfather died, he had completely forgotten how to speak English, and could only speak German.)

Oh, and fuck your kraut reference. Get bent your racist asshole.

[popfor]

If every dumbfuck felon in every city in the country can easily obtain them illegally (even a guy like me can buy them on the down low tomorrow) then i sure as hell am going to go through the procedure to be a responsible citizen and maintain my guns, because if i need to protect myself for any reason i will be able to, and if i die in an unfavorable situation then i will know that at least the shortcomings were my own. Making guns illegal wont get rid of the problem, it will just disarm your average Joe. What we need is a solid mental health system and reform of the justice system, and mandatory parent classes and support so we can stop shitting out retarded dumbfucks in our shithole neighborhoods, and propagating a crime culture. The thing is people from tiny ethnically homogeneous countries can't understand what its like to live in a entirely separate environment from their own. Before gun issues, we need to reevaluate our population and the values we hold as a country. Anyone who isnt a princess or a foreigner doesnt walk around stressed out, because you know 99% of people with legal guns on them carry them with the intent to protect themselves and others, and have undergone screening, like you're literally on a list, and were hopefully raised with gun safety and ethics from a young age, and regardless will learn these things as a result of concealed carry. You should tell your kids to treat a gun like its loaded the same way you tell them to brush their teeth. Even though this plug that i have heard of waves his gun around like a retard doesnt mean hes an actual danger to himself or others, he just wants to be able to live his life, and thats essentially what firearms guarantee you, a means to a way of survival when/if faced with heavy opposition.
I have a suspicion that the majority of people who complain about these issues haven't lived an interesting life outside of their tiny community/social status bubbles, and don't understand how big the world is and how many types of people there are. To this day im finding out how big the world is, and not everyone has the same fundamental beliefs and functionality as you'd like to believe you and your community are gifted with. And treating America like ur small utopian country simply wont work, we have a entirely different scale and level of serious cultural variation in our population, and while i would love to see the criminals and mentally ill de-armed i know better than to push for any serious outlawing because the moment we do we will all be at risk, its a guaranteed shit show.

[Granger]

I'm all for contributing military strength to the UN, NATO, and other allies,

One slight problem with that: the USA dosn't have any allies, they have vassals - it's an empire.

but do we need so many military bases scattered all over the place?

I think quite many countries would be very happy in case the USA would stop messing around outside their borders.
That includes 3-letter agencies doing regime changes (only to name one of the wide selection of crimes against humanity these commit on a regular basis).

[MagicManICT]

The cold war ended... everyone quit fighting it except the US.

[ricky]

Technically its the government turning against itself, us civilian plebians are just along for the ride. Those working for the government have been fucked sideways, however.

generally speaking though, the adage 'guns don't kill people - people kill people' rings true and rings loudest. My ideal gun reform is healthcare reform - both mental health and physical. if every person in america received the help that they need I feel gun violence (and violence generally speaking) would plummet.

the gun lobby in america is very vocal. you could ask 100 regular ass people from every state and I'd reckon ~90% of them would agree to reasonable gun control and checks such as gun registry, restrictions on who can buy them, where they can be taken, etc. what the american public wouldn't agree with is the wholesale collection and destruction of privately owned firearms (or as an extension, any collection of private property by the government.)

statistics show (so cliche!) there's tons of more dangerous killers of americans than guns, be it cars, heart disease, smoking... I could go on and on. I believe guns and gun control are just low hanging fruit. of course its shitty when some church gets shot up, but it's not that common.

as a final example - chicago has historically had some of the (if not the) strictest gun control in the country, yet still it's had unusually high gun violence. is it immigrants? no. shitty police force? no more than anywhere else. gang prevalence? again, not more than any similiarly sized city. minorities? not explicitly.

I personally believe the reform that would help chicago (and the countyr) is welfare projects in the form of education reform, health reform, mental health reform... services for those near or below the poverty line. services for those forgotten or left behind. I think these foundations, if properly implemented, fix the other problems passively. who steals? those who need (or kleptos. fuckin kleptos.) who fights? those with something to say, those with nothing to lose. give them someone who listens and something to lose and they no longer have the necessity, not the desire, to do harm to others.

-isms just make the whole mess worse imo. racism, classism, sexism. again, I feel these are fixed with education, but they're pretty engrained into most societies. what makes a poor person feel better? knowing Some Group is inherently poorer