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Re: 2020

Postby Jalpha » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:48 am

It might be because of the poor quality of internet in Finland! Soviet Russia must have collapsed too soon to provide Finland with good telecommunications infrastructure.

In Australia we have the glorious NBN (National Broadband Network). High-speed, reliable internet for all citizens of our incredible nation.

Finland should get on our level. Maybe Finland is too old of a country to see how important internet is to the future prosperity of any nation. The future of the Earth belongs to the youth. To younger, more advanced countries. Like Australia!
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Re: 2020

Postby Zentetsuken » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:32 pm

MagicManICT wrote:And this is why I refuse to get sucked into it any more than I have to.


Nice try gramps but we all know you don't use it because you have limited social skills and you are old.

Truth be told there is probably a discord chat for angry 30+ year old nostalgic SA members out there, you might just find your happy place if you look hard enough.

I don't think Discord will ever become true bloatware or a payed services, thousands of people are volunteering to pay for monthly services that provides almost nothing in return. If they started tossing ads everywhere there would be 20 different version of "Discord+" available to download within 2 days that removes them all.
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Re: 2020

Postby VDZ » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:23 pm

Zentetsuken wrote:I don't think Discord will ever become true bloatware or a payed services, thousands of people are volunteering to pay for monthly services that provides almost nothing in return. If they started tossing ads everywhere there would be 20 different version of "Discord+" available to download within 2 days that removes them all.


And despite that, the vast majority of the userbase would continue to use the normal version even if it were literally spying on them. See also: Google Chrome
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Re: 2020

Postby shubla » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:37 pm

Zentetsuken wrote:I don't think Discord will ever become true bloatware or a payed services, thousands of people are volunteering to pay for monthly services that provides almost nothing in return. If they started tossing ads everywhere there would be 20 different version of "Discord+" available to download within 2 days that removes them all.

Discord has received over 200 000 000$ of funding, running and developing discord doesnt sound very cheap. They have to drastically cut down all of their costs if they intend to make profit from few "thousands" of people paying for their services.

Jalpha wrote:It might be because of the poor quality of internet in Finland! Soviet Russia must have collapsed too soon to provide Finland with good telecommunications infrastructure.

In Australia we have the glorious NBN (National Broadband Network). High-speed, reliable internet for all citizens of our incredible nation.

Finland should get on our level. Maybe Finland is too old of a country to see how important internet is to the future prosperity of any nation. The future of the Earth belongs to the youth. To younger, more advanced countries. Like Australia!

Discord issues are not because of my internet, but frankly coincidentally my internet went completely out for maybe 16 hours yesterday for unknown reason, but that was first time in many years. (Last time it went down for maybe 4 days because some stupid workmen dug up the internet cable in nearby construction site)
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Re: 2020

Postby MagicManICT » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:08 am

Zentetsuken wrote:
MagicManICT wrote:And this is why I refuse to get sucked into it any more than I have to.


Nice try gramps but we all know you don't use it because you have limited social skills and you are old.

It's more a philosophical reason than being a 40something luddite. I grew up with a computer... my first was a Texas Instruments, and got an Apple II a few years later. I was programming by the age of 10. The ONLY reason I wasn't one of these hacker kids that are now infamous is we were poor, and I didn't have (couldn't afford) means of connecting my computer to anything else. I know I'd have had the FBI knocking at my door before I was 14 if so. I was on the Internet before I hit college via my school's network (though it was limited then, couldn't use IRC, and were limited to FTP and gopher sites).

No, I'm against all this public sharing of everything. It's hive mind thinking, and the few people running things are sucking up everything they can to control you and your way of life. the elections in various countries are just a sampling of how all that public knowledge can be turned against a nation. We don't need to worry about the governments turning our world into the equivalent of Orwell's dystopic nightmare, we'll do it to ourselves.
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Re: 2020

Postby mvgulik » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:17 am

shubla wrote:Discord has received over 200 000 000$ of funding

Really ... 2 Billion(US) in funding. That sound to good to be true.
Yep ... Seems you got your data wrong. Probably due to bad general "Hit and Run" reading habit.

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Re: 2020

Postby mvgulik » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:46 am

O the sweet (and not to sweet) memories ...
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Re: 2020

Postby kmarad » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:32 am

A funny thing, is that discord is based on Electron.
And Electron is basically a trick, to run javascript (via nodeJS), on any computer, using chromium engine.

So just to send your friends a few gifs, you run a browser locally, which is quite heavy, and not bug free.

Also, nodeJS is really well-known for it's packets intrication.
Like, to install 5 libraries, you'll often pull over than 1000 dependencies. Which is even more possible causes of bugs.

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That's very far from the typical IRC client, like weechat, which is as simple as it can get.

Why do they do that ?

It's so much simpler for devs to code a web client app than to do something in C, C#, C++, Golang, Rust or whatever you can think of.
You have access to all HTML components, CSS, and frameworks like angular / vuejs / reactjs...
Your application can instantly be deployed everywhere, even as a web app (discordapp.com)...

Developers laziness is what it is.


By the way, discord devs didn't even implement end to end encryption, but I'm not sure I would call that laziness though...
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Re: 2020

Postby Z1ggy » Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:59 am

IRQ 2020, what a year to be alive!

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Re: 2020

Postby Jalpha » Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:28 pm

@MagicManICT

We already live in the dystopia. Just look around. "The left" is constantly accusing me of thoughtcrimes. It will only become more pronounced as time passes. There is a borg type mentality emerging. Some kind of homogenisation of race and culture. I don't like it but I know it can't last. Society is like a boiling pot of water. Every time the surface calms for a moment a new surge of bubbles rise.

And on technology... We live in a time where not only the spooks are capable of watching and listening to me through many objects I own. Marketers join them along with anonymous weirdos in dark rooms. What an interesting time to be alive. I'm starting to just not care at all.
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