This community is exactly why P2P was implemented.

[Clemins]

A lot of tl;dr so I will just say this. Jorbtar has put up with a lot of sh*t with this community. For years they have given us a wonderful game and asked for nothing in return. If you don't like the subscription system don't pay it. If you think it has completely ruined your experience and you're going to quit, save your fingers the exercise and just go, the community will be better off for it.

Well said.

[LordD1]

It will actually only increase botting. Once someone gets a good bot going to grind stuff, everyone is going to want to buy that bot or buy the things that guy has. And for what? Most likely ingame time or money which will be profitable for the botters.

[Redempter]

Wow thanks a lot OP for this post, this is refreshing in this forest of greedy crybaby. The P2P model will weed out the bad players/bots and let the good ones have fun.

See ya in game!

[Bobustouchdown]

Seriously, look at yourselves.

Everyone that is straight-up enraged is an offensive, abrasive, toxic little shit that nobody would want to play with. Probably 14 years old with no job, or you live in Russia and $15 is your monthly vodka bill, or someone that wanted to bot instead of actually play the game and take advantage of its awesome features.

Everyone that is approaching this calmly and reasonably are mature, likely adults, able to afford the subscription. If the player base 3 months from now consists of mainly these types of players, the pay to play model will have been a huge success.



You little monsters treated this like 4Chan and now its biting you in the ass. "Topkek" and "dank memes" my friends, or whatever is hip these days.

What a mature way to respond, with ad hominem and name calling!

Our trust was greatly abused when this was dropped, and the product isn't nearly worth the money that is being asked for. It's an alpha. Not even the worst Steam pre-releases charge on a subscription basis, and if they did, they would get the same flak. The community drives this game harder than a normal MMO, and this move will simply destroy the playerbase and thus, the gameplay.

This, the game is dead, the devs have taken this p2p model to the extreme.

You can't spawn on hearthfires anymore, why? So you can't chain new accounts for free time to work on your settlement, you need to either get massively lucky or spend a large chunk of the time just looking for it. This makes it even harder to meet up with your friends, again you may get lucky and meet pretty fast but chances are it'll be a while before you see each other, destroying the team building and friendship part of this game unless you throw yourself into the hands of strangers.

Your hunger meter now goes down incredibly slow unless you start building houses everywhere or clear cutting entire forests, it used to be in old H&H that you just take a mug down to the old watering hole and drink to fit in more FEPs, now your characters growth is tied directly to how much time you have in the game, either just spending it playing or be destroying parts of the map by clear cutting everything.

Even things like fishing have become incredibly time consuming, I threw my fresh line into the water, it took several minutes for zero fish but my bait still went, no problem I figured ill just go dig up some worms, it took me another five minutes of digging and drinking just to find another worm to look for some fish to get my intelligence up.

This game is nothing more than a glorified facebook game now, and watching the droves of brain dead people defend it is really sad, people should be expecting to get much more for their dollar and not willing to just accept the bare minimum, but here we are, with a bare bones "alpha" release that's been rebuilt to 100% accommodate a pay plan and hinder free play as much as possible.

[Rhiannon]

Most everyone, especially those who've been around from the beginning, had NO PROBLEM with supporting the game. They DID that, for YEARS, with donations. I did, my brother did, many times until we saw it was of no use. Would I pay to play this game , of course I would. I haven't played it almost daily since world 1 because I'm bored..lol Not 10$ a month, only a blithering idiot would do that, and certainly not for access to the free game we HAVE been playing all along that they've abandoned. This game should be a purchase game, no more than 15$ for life. Subscription?, no more than 4.99 and that's with total developer attention, patches and support. SO it's not the money, it's the insulting amount of money + their reputation + this unannounced rape and cash grab = only a total fool would support this behavior. There's just too much out there to be abused that way with a smile on your face.

[Bobustouchdown]

Most everyone, especially those who've been around from the beginning, had NO PROBLEM with supporting the game. They DID that, for YEARS, with donations. I did, my brother did, many times until we saw it was of no use. Would I pay to play this game , of course I would. I haven't played it almost daily since world 1 because I'm bored..lol Not 10$ a month, only a blithering idiot would do that, and certainly not for access to the free game we HAVE been playing all along that they've abandoned. This game should be a purchase game, no more than 15$ for life. Subscription?, no more than 4.99 and that's with total developer attention, patches and support. SO it's not the money, it's the insulting amount of money + their reputation + this unannounced rape and cash grab = only a total fool would support this behavior. There's just too much out there to be abused that way with a smile on your face.

sadly there are too few of you in this forum, expect backlash chanting the mantra "if you don't like it leave" over and over again, it really is a shame to see something that used to be so charming flushed down the toilet.

[burgingham]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

[Shinzon]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

And yet you do what? You have abused more than anyone on this forum over the years and now you run around doing what?

[Bobustouchdown]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

you can play and love something and have it not be worth monetary value, H&H was so charming because it was free, it was something you could always come back to after a while, when you and your friends had nothing to do, no obligations and some free time on your hands.

There is a lot better you could be doing with that money, haven was a fun game but it's very clearly been turned into a cash cow and for what ever reason people lack the common sense to see that, monthly payments to enjoy a game is a practice that should be dead in the first place, it used to be and always should be you buy a game, you own the game, you dollar should give you something concrete, something that is yours, you are trading what you earned for a product.

As for me, you don't need to spend your money on "AAA games with "shallow mechanics"" to have fun, I dropped 20 dollars on rocket league a week ago and sunk a ton of hours into it already, I bought team fortress 2 the day it came out and sunk over two months worth of time into it, that game was my life when I was younger, would I have done that for fifteen dollars a month? Fuck no, tf2 wouldn't have been worth keeping a sub going for 5 years just to play it, the game would have costed me almost if not over a thousand dollars, it's not fucking worth a thousand dollars, I could save up another four grand and put a down payment on a fucking house for that price.

[Russaria]

Yeah....no. The ones who have no problem with the payment usually voice their opinion in a pretty reasonable way (there are exceptions), but if you have seen the vitriol I had to clean up of those who are opposed to it you'd change your opinion on this pretty quick.

I am especially surprised by long time players like Rhiannon. It is a game she played for 5 years, supported, loved etc. Yet it is not worth 10$. That is a contradiction in itself.

For me this game has given me a lot more than any other title I have ever played so naturally it is also worth more to me. It is certainly worth more than any AAA title out there with their shallow mechanics and the non-impact of your own decisionmaking in place. I can just watch a movie if I want that.

Actually we've played it for a lot longer than 5 years, and as I was just messaged on facebook about all this crap, I wasn't in the least surprised to hear of you coming in and banning people for daring not to kiss your brown-nose opinions. Which is the exact reason why this type of abuse "gets in kind what has been dealt in bushels". Of which you have long been a big supporter of.

The overwhelming negative response to this behavior is because of the tinderbox that has always existed here in this forum. Much of it from you and your buddies and the like, who have always reveled in blasting same abusive behavior by yourselves and J&L in both attention and attitude towards this player base. You want to giggle at turning H&H into a private little club, well no need, we all know aside from loners it's ALWAYS been that way. Now it can just be done with money as opposed to favoritism and selective association. 10 dollars a month for a buggy mess that is just as likely to be abandoned one month and it is to be updated the next is ludicrous in the gaming world. Your claimed "value" of this game to "you" is well understood, who wouldn't, after all, pay 10$ a month on a game THEY MODERATE and hold special position both in-game AND OUT.

You fool no one with that jive talk. Your opinion therefore would be? moot. You can ban everyone who dares to say anything, but it doesn't change the facts. And if you for one second think this type of "business model" would amount to anything BUT a private little club for them, you and your buddies, then good luck sir. But you are right about one thing. Not much would change FOR YOU, so your opinion of their actions is quite understood, and just as transparent and your opinion of those who are betrayed and upset, just as irrelevant.

And Post Script. Your nerve to question her right after you ban her is about all anyone needs to know about both your motives and your ethics, coupled with the actions of the owners of the game also against the player base, well birds of a feather as they say, right?