US Election

[MagicManICT]

i think tax contributions is a great idea though

I agree with this 110% though. Though not paying taxes is a felony and you aren't allowed to vote with a felony but you know people don't get caught.

Depends on where you live. Florida is the only state where you can't vote if you've ever had a felony, expunged or not. Some states do require an expungement. (Note that these are the only Jim Crowe laws on the books that haven't been able to be overturned by The US Constitution) It is purposefully vague on this as it was meant to be left to Congress and the states to decide. Most felons back in the day were either in prison for a (short) life or executed as felonies were murder, treason, theft, et al. Now you get a felony for getting in a barroom fight or groping a woman's pussy without being invited.

I hope you guys are joking about the IQ tests and such. Maybe we should go back to women only getting half a vote, too.

And a reminder as to why it is 18 to vote in the US: The draft. The joke earlier aside, a lot of people were arrested for draft dodging during the Vietnam conflict because A) we really shouldn't have been there, and B) at least a real war could have been declared and real action taken to win it instead of pussy-footing around in the jungle for 10 years.

I'm a proponent of civic service for voting rights. Just to note, the currently states that anyone that wants to serve in the military is automatically granted citizenship at the end of service (those that currently don't have legal citizenship such as immigrants). For the general public, I think that it shouldn't have to be military service, though. Americorps or Peace Corps service is great, too, as well as local civic service, but then that looks pretty communist to some people. We can't have communism in the US.

[tyrtix]

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If you don't make a certain income you don't have to file for taxes, you aren't tax evading.

Also yes you do get back your right to vote. Everyone serves their prison time and are let free.

So it was "those who evade taxes" and not "those who not pay taxes", because someone with 0 income does not pay, in fact. Do you expect that ppl who evade taxes are a large portion of population or not? because in the second case, this thing won't make anything relevant happens.

Let me reword my statement. Those who evade taxes and are required to pay taxes can be charged with tax evasion which is a felony crime. It's reported that 18 to 19 percent of people don't report their income completely. If you make under a certain amount of money, you do not have to file your taxes (under $10,300). If you do not make enough and don't file, you do not get charged. IRS can investigate your earnings if they please. For instance, when I applied for my financial aid for my community college the IRS could easily hold the money and run a investigation.

My question was not answered: do you feel this will change something in the elections results, and if so, in wich direction? Because i can only see a logical fallacy in this point, as it's now.

I'm a proponent of civic service for voting rights. Just to note, the currently states that anyone that wants to serve in the military is automatically granted citizenship at the end of service (those that currently don't have legal citizenship such as immigrants). For the general public, I think that it shouldn't have to be military service, though.

You know where you can find this? In Starship troopers, a book deemed to be fascist in many ideas XD

[MagicManICT]

Trump hasn't done anything illegal with his taxes. If he had, he'd have been busted by now and sitting next to Willie Nelson and Wesley Snipes. He's been audited every year since he claimed that near billion dollar loss in the late 90s. The only thing illegal going on with Trump's taxes is Congress's willing blindness to such loopholes. Give him people seven years worth of write-offs on large losses, not for the next 20.

[MagicManICT]

As much as I hate double posting, it's a change in direction... I was just thinking about something I had heard mentioned already, which is what a GOP lead congress and Senate will do with a Republican president.

I think I have to agree in that the first order of business is going to be to do what they've wanted to do the last several years: eliminate the national health care act. Me, it doesn't affect anyway as I'm poor, single, and live in a state that didn't take expanded medicaid coverage. I have to get charity to get medical assistance. What's going to be interesting is what happens in two years when they do pull this off without coming up with a better plan. If I recall the polls correctly, something like 70% of the country wants some kind of medical guarantees, but most of those thought that Obamacare wasn't enough.

There's also been talks about rolling back the free trade agreements we've made across the Pacific and with other North American countries. A mistake in my opinion as the only thing it will bring back are minimum wage jobs, and we have enough of those with the service industry. That and everyone's iPhone and Galaxy are going to cost $1500 instead of $600. No more free iPhone upgrades every other year. (actually, maybe that will be a good thing.)

[julian12it]

My question was not answered: do you feel this will change something in the elections results, and if so, in wich direction? Because I can only see a logical fallacy in this point, as it's now.

It'll affect it ever so slightly because if you're required to for instance "maintain " your voter's registration by publishing your W-2 Form to the IRS before election day, then yes. Fewer votes of those who aren't doing what they're supposed to do. It'll probably be on the negative because it means fewer voters than they're already are. But it's also a positive because it's legitimate voters who've fulfilled their duties.

[Potjeh]

As much as I hate double posting, it's a change in direction... I was just thinking about something I had heard mentioned already, which is what a GOP lead congress and Senate will do with a Republican president.

Is he really a Republican president, though? He and mainstream GOP don't get alone so well, so I'm not sure they'll cooperate all that well.

[ArvinJA]

Aretopia is a good choice. Either you can use your vote in the culture war, or in policy, you get to choose.

[dageir]

Well, we live in interesting times. All this happened because of 9/11.

[tyrtix]

My question was not answered: do you feel this will change something in the elections results, and if so, in wich direction? Because I can only see a logical fallacy in this point, as it's now.

It'll affect it ever so slightly because if you're required to for instance "maintain " your voter's registration by publishing your W-2 Form to the IRS before election day, then yes. Fewer votes of those who aren't doing what they're supposed to do. It'll probably be on the negative because it means fewer voters than they're already are. But it's also a positive because it's legitimate voters who've fulfilled their duties.

Still, this won't change the results of any election, as people that are evading taxes are distributed, probably evenly, between the two main parties... so, although it "may" seems correct (but i'm not sure it is) to remove vote rights to someone evading, it won't make difference in the final results, and i hope it does not, because if it does, in the mind of someone, is just a biased opinion that a part of the electorate is bad and should not vote, 'cause they evade taxes.

[MagicManICT]

Aretopia is a good choice. Either you can use your vote in the culture war, or in policy, you get to choose.

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